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Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby GHung » Fri 07 Aug 2015, 15:34:04

Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy? Because It’s Actually Cheaper

Fossil fuels have become an economic liability—for both consumers and energy companies.

Deborah Lawrence had been watching a once-empty parking lot near Midland-Odessa, Texas, fill up with idled drilling rigs usually at work plumbing for oil in the nearby Permian Basin. In January she noticed 10 rigs, then 17 a few weeks later. As winter turned to spring, the number climbed to 35.

That trend has continued across the country. By the end of July, the nationwide rig count had slipped 54 percent since the same time a year ago, indicating distress in the oil and gas industry. The most obvious culprit is the precipitous drop in crude prices. But the trouble goes deeper, as Lawrence knows—and she isn’t just a casual observer. Lawrence is a former Wall Street financial consultant who now runs the Energy Policy Forum, helping to identify and analyze trends in the industry.

Right now, our fossil-fueled energy path has us on a roller-coaster ride and we are plunging, white knuckled. Production in the United States from the exploitation of shale oil (or tight oil), which accounts for 45 percent of the country’s oil production, will take a hit if prices continue to remain well below the $100 mark. Tens of thousands of jobs have already been cut, and some debt-laden companies may go belly up.

This is the narrative that has been seizing headlines, but it’s not the whole story of what’s going on in our energy economy. While shales were booming and then busting, solar and wind have been surging. Renewables have been relegated to the sidelines of our energy priorities, a small blip in our electric generating capacity each year, but that is changing. How fast it happens could be enough to rock the boat in a major way.

The fact that we should be moving to more renewable energy and using less oil is no secret. Scientists have repeatedly warned that if we continue to burn fossil fuels with our current abandon, we risk catastrophic climate impacts, some of which we are already beginning to see. Instead, they caution, much of our oil, gas, and coal reserves should stay in the ground.

But as long as fossil fuels remain cheap (ignoring externalities), and energy companies reap big profits from them, we will keep drilling and mining and burning—global catastrophe be damned.

If science and good sense aren’t enough to make us shift course, perhaps economics will. We’ve long heard that we must choose between jobs and the environment. Or between economic growth and clean energy. But more and more, it is looking like fossil fuels are the economic deadweight and renewables are finally ready for a seat at the table.

The Plunge

The US boom in the production of oil and gas in the past seven years has been largely driven by horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing (or fracking) of rock formations known as shale plays. But the growth may not be as long-lived as advertised.

For starters, there’s good evidence to suggest that the amount of economically recoverable reserves of both shale oil and gas are not as much as previously hyped.

J. David Hughes, a geoscientist and fellow at the Post Carbon Institute, who spent 32 years with the Geological Survey of Canada, found that while short-term production of shale oil and gas is undoubtedly significant, the long-term view shows that the growth is not sustainable. His research reveals production peaking in both shale oil and gas in most of the significant plays in the United States by 2020.

The next problem facing the industry is the price tag of its operations. The costs to drill and complete a shale well can range from $6 million to $8 million or more a well—depending on the play and the number of drilling stages.

Production on shale wells also declines very quickly. For shale oil, the three-year average well decline rate in most major US plays falls between 60 and 91 percent. Around half of all the oil that will be produced from these wells will come in the first three years. For shale gas, the three-year average well decline rate is between 74 and 82 percent.

This means that in order to maintain or increase production, you have to keep a frenetic pace of new drilling—what Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory scientist David Fridley likened to being on an “accelerating treadmill.” The drilling frenzy that has characterized the shale boom caused a spike in production, contributing to a global glut, which has resulted in falling prices. It’s a vicious circle, and one that was hard to make economical even when crude was selling for $100 a barrel.

When prices dropped earlier this year to around $50 a barrel, things became more dire for the shale industry, and they haven’t greatly improved in the last six months. Despite briefly reaching around $63 a barrel in late spring, prices have fallen again. “For the past five years we’ve been told we’re going to be energy independent and we will have all this oil and we’re going to export gas to Europe and we’re going to export gas to Asia, and it’s just not going to happen,” said Fridley. .....


More: http://www.thenation.com/article/why-ar ... y-cheaper/

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“Gone are the days when solar panels were an exotic plaything of Earth-loving rich people,” Tom Randall writes for Bloomberg Business. “Solar is becoming mainstream.”

One of the things driving that growth is that costs are falling and the products are getting better. Solar and wind, points out Lawrence, are technologies and not fuels, and as such they typically become cheaper with scale and time.

Even more promising, while prices are declining in these industries, the number of people employed has skyrocketed. The Solar Foundation reports that jobs in the solar industry grew by 86 percent in the past five years. As of 2013, according to industry estimates, there were 143,000 solar jobs and more than 50,000 in wind in the United States.

For wind and solar, falling prices means more jobs. Lawrence likens it to what economists call a virtuous circle: “A recurring cycle of events, the result of each one being to increase the beneficial effect of the next.”

It’s the exact opposite of the shale industry’s vicious circle, where high production results in plunging prices, followed by thousands of layoffs....


The quote above in bold is perhaps what I have the hardest time convincing folks of. Each kWh my systems produces drives the cost of my electricity down, eventually to near zero, althewhile, the cost to gridweenie's electricity stays fixed or goes up. Overproduction and/or depletion have no direct effect. Shortages (cloudy days) were accounted for in the design. In the case of total financial collapse (economy-wide or personal), nothing changes much.

Of course, some of you will use the apples/oranges argument, but having a robust renewable energy system at home has coincided with a greatly reduced overall dependency on fossil fuels as well. Go figure.

Living utterly dependent on fossil fuels is sort of like living with a bi-polar spouse; always worried about what comes next. Just reading the articles and comments on Peakoil.com is proof of that. Like I did with the ex-wife, cutting those ties as much as possible seemed like a healthy step. The costs were probably about the same, but the results have been priceless in both cases. My next goal is local transportation; maybe a used Leaf....

Enjoy your marriage while it lasts...

BTW: Two more new reasonably large (10+ acres) solar farms nearing completion in our County. Nice addition to our 12MW hydro.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby StarvingLion » Sat 08 Aug 2015, 23:01:12

The truth of GHungs fairyworld is below...and GHungs useless scientists are a joke because the universities are bankrupt. The glorious PHD scientist wants to keep his fraud racket of "innovation" going when the ONLY solution are coal and nuclear...most of the universities occupants are nothing more than communists. 80% of the universities should be shut down.

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Here is the problem. Look up the cost of Ivanpah Solar on Wikipedia. It costs as much as a nuclear power plant and makes 1/10 of the usable power (allowing for capacity factor). It covers 3,500 Acres. That means to get just 1/2 of Obamas Renewable power from a facility like that (and they are on the drawing boards and in the permit process NOW) the USA will have to build at least 1000 of these solar furnaces. to get 10% “renewable” increase. And they still get half of their power from NatGas. They will cover 3,500,000 Acres, and the total construction cost will be 22,000 Billion [That is 22 trillion] Now give the builders a 33% Green energy rebate (7 trillion from the US treasury), and their tax cuts, etc. Do the same for Wind Farms and then allow for inflation, and the fact that electricity will double in cost do to the lack of COAL power plants and ask your self again who wants green energy? Who is going to make money and whos pocket is that money coming out of. And Half of the power coming from these solar furnaces will be coming from NatGas. Wake up,....YOU ARE ALL DOOMED
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby Tikib » Mon 10 Aug 2015, 06:30:14

Renewables are a great stop gap until MSR's and ICF come along.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby GHung » Mon 10 Aug 2015, 08:33:00

The truth of GHungs fairyworld is he hasn't paid for nasty grid power for 20 years.

The truth of StarvingLion's twisted world is that he's as doomed as the rest of us, and even more so than some of us.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby misterno » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 14:26:45

StarvingLion wrote:The truth of GHungs fairyworld is below...and GHungs useless scientists are a joke because the universities are bankrupt. The glorious PHD scientist wants to keep his fraud racket of "innovation" going when the ONLY solution are coal and nuclear...most of the universities occupants are nothing more than communists. 80% of the universities should be shut down.

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Here is the problem. Look up the cost of Ivanpah Solar on Wikipedia. It costs as much as a nuclear power plant and makes 1/10 of the usable power (allowing for capacity factor). It covers 3,500 Acres. That means to get just 1/2 of Obamas Renewable power from a facility like that (and they are on the drawing boards and in the permit process NOW) the USA will have to build at least 1000 of these solar furnaces. to get 10% “renewable” increase. And they still get half of their power from NatGas. They will cover 3,500,000 Acres, and the total construction cost will be 22,000 Billion [That is 22 trillion] Now give the builders a 33% Green energy rebate (7 trillion from the US treasury), and their tax cuts, etc. Do the same for Wind Farms and then allow for inflation, and the fact that electricity will double in cost do to the lack of COAL power plants and ask your self again who wants green energy? Who is going to make money and whos pocket is that money coming out of. And Half of the power coming from these solar furnaces will be coming from NatGas. Wake up,....YOU ARE ALL DOOMED


The efficiency on solar panels increase by the day due to more advanced technology in manufacturing. And they are clean.

Technology always leaps fwd never backwards and this means solar will be more in the money.

Result: We are not doomed. Whoever stuck with old skool nuclear/coal/natural gas is doomed. Future is in technology not in fossil fuels.

As a result Natural gas power generators will be in big trouble when solar captures more market share in power markets. Nobody can stop this.

The only reason Natural gas using power generators not in trouble this year is because of the drought in CA and retiring many coal and nuclear plants all happening in the same year. Otherwise natural gas would be in big trouble this year according to last week's monthly Bentek report I read.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 21:08:51

The typical laughable psychobabble of a "renewable" energy cretin:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ME ... 351_en.htm

Brussels, 15 July 2015

What needs to be done to balance networks when there with (sic) variable solar and wind generation?

Firstly, by spreading renewable energy generation across Europe through interconnected networks, high generation can compensate areas with lower generation. At the same time the market has to give clear financial incentives for renewable energy generators to make their production as predictable as possible. Furthermore, in periods of low generation, and high prices, consumers can help fill the gap by reducing their demand, while the market has to ensure they are adequately compensated for this role.

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LOL...hey Europeans, ya got shit-for-brains?
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 21:20:56

misterno wrote:
StarvingLion wrote:The truth of GHungs fairyworld is below...and GHungs useless scientists are a joke because the universities are bankrupt. The glorious PHD scientist wants to keep his fraud racket of "innovation" going when the ONLY solution are coal and nuclear...most of the universities occupants are nothing more than communists. 80% of the universities should be shut down.

The Green Plague

Here is the problem. Look up the cost of Ivanpah Solar on Wikipedia. It costs as much as a nuclear power plant and makes 1/10 of the usable power (allowing for capacity factor). It covers 3,500 Acres. That means to get just 1/2 of Obamas Renewable power from a facility like that (and they are on the drawing boards and in the permit process NOW) the USA will have to build at least 1000 of these solar furnaces. to get 10% “renewable” increase. And they still get half of their power from NatGas. They will cover 3,500,000 Acres, and the total construction cost will be 22,000 Billion [That is 22 trillion] Now give the builders a 33% Green energy rebate (7 trillion from the US treasury), and their tax cuts, etc. Do the same for Wind Farms and then allow for inflation, and the fact that electricity will double in cost do to the lack of COAL power plants and ask your self again who wants green energy? Who is going to make money and whos pocket is that money coming out of. And Half of the power coming from these solar furnaces will be coming from NatGas. Wake up,....YOU ARE ALL DOOMED


The efficiency on solar panels increase by the day due to more advanced technology in manufacturing. And they are clean.

Technology always leaps fwd never backwards and this means solar will be more in the money.

Result: We are not doomed. Whoever stuck with old skool nuclear/coal/natural gas is doomed. Future is in technology not in fossil fuels.

As a result Natural gas power generators will be in big trouble when solar captures more market share in power markets. Nobody can stop this.

The only reason Natural gas using power generators not in trouble this year is because of the drought in CA and retiring many coal and nuclear plants all happening in the same year. Otherwise natural gas would be in big trouble this year according to last week's monthly Bentek report I read.


Hahahaha...fantasy dweller alert! I guess Scamerica wants to do an Energiewende too:


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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 21:40:05

Obviously, misterno has been reading too much of Future Man (ennui2) and now has Reality Distortion Illness (RDI).

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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 12 Aug 2015, 21:57:22

I guess you folks don't realize that Germany has already given up on the "Energy Miracle" (Energie wende)...In fact they flatly admit in this graphic of a forecast of a week in 2020 that they will be heavily dependent on COAL AND GAS FOREVER!!!

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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby GHung » Fri 14 Aug 2015, 23:25:19

Hopefully, StarvingLion is finished making an ass of himself while confirming his troll status. Hook, line, sinker :-D
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby Revi » Thu 08 Oct 2015, 14:40:49

Renewable energy is simple. You own it, it makes you power, what's the problem? Why not put your money into something that is going to cut your bills and make you more independent?
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 08 Oct 2015, 17:12:47

As always Ghung remains my hero for his efforts to switch to alts. As are TPTB in Texas that has madd us one of the leading producers of wind energy on the planet. OTOH compared to the entire US economy neither mesns sh*t. LOL. The US energy consumers generate an insignificant amount of alt energy. And for Dog's sake don't toss out that % increase BS. While going from 1% to 2% is a 100% increase but in absolute terms it still doesn't make a meaningful difference. The vast majority that switch to alts is for economic reasons and not to save the planet. And while alts cost have been falling the cost of fossil fuels has just seen a huge cost reduction. IOW much of financial motivation for switching has evaporated.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 09 Oct 2015, 00:34:55

Good for you too pstarr. Payout might be longer then you wished but hopefully you got some personal satisfaction out of it. But unfortunately your efforts don't count for sh*t in the grand scheme of things. But OTOH you aren't a significant part of the problem either.

i'm actually thinking about pulling part of my ass off the grid. Given lower ff energy costs driving down the demand for solar I expect to see prices drop a good bit in the near future, I already have my daughter living in the country researching solar power for her water well. A small project but she's only 15 yo and a tad more interested in boys then saving the planet. LOL
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby kublikhan » Fri 09 Oct 2015, 00:41:13

Low fossil fuel prices has not translated into reduced renewable installations. Quite the contrary. Renewable installations have increased. 70% of new power capacity built in the first half of 2015 in the US were renewable. This is up from 50% in 2014 and 43% in 2013.

renewable energy sources accounted for 69.75 percent of new [US] electrical generation placed into service in the first six months of 2015.

Wind provided more than half (50.64 percent) of all new capacity, or 1,969 megawatts (MW) thus far this year from 18 generating “units.” Solar followed with 549 MW (71 units), biomass with 128 MW (7 units), geothermal steam with 45 MW (1 unit), and hydropower with 21 MW (1 unit).

Twenty-one units of natural gas contributed 1,173 MW and one unit of coal provided just 3 MW of new generating capacity. For the first half of 2015, new generating capacity from renewable energy sources was 904 times greater than that from coal and more than double that from natural gas. To date, no new capacity came from either nuclear or oil.
Renewable Energy Delivers 70% of New Generating Capacity in First Half of 2015

Prices of fossil fuels may be plumbing multi-year lows, but that's not likely to keep them from being displaced by the advance of renewable energy. Over the past few years, more than 50 percent of new investment in electricity generation capacity has been from renewable sources, with around $260 billion a year invested in renewable-energy technology over the past five years.

Rising electricity prices
Others also expect the renewable take-up to continue, with low prices for fossil fuels unlikely to derail the momentum. One reason is that electricity prices will likely continue rising, extending its long-term trend even as oil prices have been volatile.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby Ulenspiegel » Fri 09 Oct 2015, 02:21:06

GHung wrote:Hopefully, StarvingLion is finished making an ass of himself while confirming his troll status. Hook, line, sinker :-D


You are very optimistic. An ass has at least a useful function - you can sit on it. I still think about what the function of our brain-dead lions is.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby careinke » Fri 09 Oct 2015, 13:54:32

ROCKMAN wrote: And for Dog's sake don't toss out that % increase BS. While going from 1% to 2% is a 100% increase but in absolute terms it still doesn't make a meaningful difference.


Unless you can repeat it 8 times, then you will be over 100% :roll:

But I agree, the real reason most will switch will be economic.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby Revi » Fri 08 Jan 2016, 15:24:44

Renewables will grow because we don't have any other Alternative. Due to the Seneca's Cliff we are going to have less and less fossil energy from now on, so we need to get cracking on the wind and solar. They are building a lot of wind turbines on a mountaintop near here, but I think the energy will go to Canada. It's making a lot of jobs happen, so I guess it's okay.
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Re: Why Are Americans Switching to Renewable Energy?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 08 Jan 2016, 15:46:58

StarvingLion wrote:I guess you folks don't realize that Germany has already given up on the "Energy Miracle" (Energie wende)...In fact they flatly admit in this graphic of a forecast of a week in 2020 that they will be heavily dependent on COAL AND GAS FOREVER!!!

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Links for such data would be helpful, since context and details matter. For example, is the spike in renewables for the 2020 Tuesday missing because it's raining that day?

Apparently you can't read charts or see trends, based on my reading of the two charts. It's saying in 5 years that green energy will make a LOT of progress, especially during the day. (I'm not convinced that much change is likely in only 5 years, but the trend is blindingly obvious).

I think it will take a good 30 to 50 years for humanity to transition to roughly 80% green energy (including things like transportation and industrial energy, not just electricity), and that it will be expensive and difficult. That doesn't mean we'll be seriously dependent on coal and NG for even a century, much less "forever".

Raving that the good is impossible because it isn't perfect and it is difficult doesn't make it bad or unattainable.
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