Another Newbie

[Corella]

Hi there,
i recently left a local forum dealing with same subjects. Too many radicals were touching my nerves and running discussions in circles. Certainly such blokes are around in all i-fora, but this looks much bigger and variegated here. So i wonder whether possibly finding a new niche ?
My education and profession is biology, field-ecology, species-protection. Doom-thoughts are part of my life ever since i remember thinking (catch-word: "Club of Rome"). So how can i rather be engaged in species-protection than in survival somewhere out bush? Planting apple-trees according to Luther? I think that complexity of my favorite topics made me unassuming. As long you don´t really know, there will be hope?!
In other respects i´m a brooding-type of dude, trying to think deeper. In case you might get me into discussions even so, please be patient, i´m thinking in german, loss through translation will happen to me all the time.

cheers

Corella

[M_B_S]

Hi Corella

Nice to meet you again!

Lets put german peak oil thinking power together.


M_B_S

One comment to the radicals in our german peak oil forum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39FBRxBM8k

[Corella]

Missed you mate. More guys around?

[davep]

Welcome Corella. What do you mean by "radicals"?

[Corella]

Thanks!
Islamophobians, reducing any problem back to just that one and only issue.

[Heineken]

Are you German, Corella? Your English "sounds" British or Aussie.

Willkommen.

[AgentR11]

Welcome..
Species protection, biology, peak oil, and doomer thoughts. Nice.

That's really a tough nut to crack, and not even really appropriate for individual action if you think about it. To protect localized species in a world enduring significant climate change, and its apex predator laboring under resource constraints, there's really no getting around the notion of moving their ranges. But moving the range of a species artificially is, in general, thought no different than introducing an exotic species to an ecosystem, which will then place undo pressure on already stressed natives, hastening their own localized decline.

Protection in the nature of zoos, seed banks, and the like; are all dependent upon modern man, remaining modern and "enlightened". Fine for now, but our species behaves poorly when we get hungry....

So, you have my admiration, that's certainly a hard set of callings you've taken up; but you're ahead of those who want to survive, in order to survive, so don't ease up!

[Corella]

Thanks a lot Heineken & Agent!
Yes i´m german with dear relatives in Australia, where i picked up some words on occasions

@Agent: forgot to mention, i´m climate-hysteric as well, may i join the club? According your thoughts how to rescue species: personally (quite agreeing to you) i´m even more skeptical because climate change is not just like a drift along the degrees of latitude. I know it seems to be, considering all the wanderings fore and back during the ice ages. But there are quite some devils in the details. One has to do with >>the sum of all physical parameters making a habitat<< being roughly just a half of the whole. You described it well, saying "like introducing an exotic" (translated from german ecologists we call it "internal parameters" what i try to imply). Other devils have to do with temperature being only one of many important parameters. Sun light for example differs with the degree of latitude...

Am i ahead in survival? I´m approaching age of 50 enjoying the day. People who do have experiences with extreme situations told me, that there is no possibility to prepare mentally. Nobody knows how you will behave, panic or stay calm, until it really happens. And - personally - i´m deeply convinced not to know what will happen, at least during my life time. There are deep worries according the younger people (i have family with two kids), no doubt about.
All my preparations are: await severity and improvise in case it happens, whatever it is.

@all, coming back to the happenings within the former forum where i came over from: the old pioneer peak oiler eg Jeremy Leggett did warn that they allways felt accompanied by extreme antidemocrats, being interested in news about coming up crises like flies being attracted by sh@t. Do you think it to be an issue, what are your experiences?
Personally my thoughts go in the direction, that the depth of coming up crises will be a matter of supra-national organization skills. Subjects like taxes on financial transaction show it (and of course all the ecological issues).

Corella

[Heineken]

I lived in Vienna for five years in the 1960s, Corella (I am 56). I still have moderate reading ability in German, and perfect pronunciation. Sometimes I dream in what appears to be fluent German. But my speaking ability is badly degraded. Und meine Grammatik und Rechtschreibung sind leider ganz schreklich. Hoffnungslos.

Vienna and Austria in the 1960s were the most wonderful places imaginable for a boy. Nothing has come close ever since.

I imagine Vienna is quite changed by now . . .

[Corella]

Dear Heineken,
imagine, we have just 3-year-old-fellows here, speaking fluently german, you find your ears bleeding if listening too carefully

Unfortunately i can´t tell much from Austria, i have only been in the Alpes several times. Austria is within the couple of countries discussing "Energiewende" intensively. I think green powered electricity to be above 50% in Austria due to hydropower...

[M_B_S]

Oh, Austria is a very nice place for holiday.

I had my honeymoon in Vienna. And last year we climbed on the "Dachstein" from Vorberg.

But Corella

Just have a look at this hot peace of paper:

http://www.flipdocs.com/showbook.aspx?I ... 692_698290

Artic Methane Alert

It would be nice to read your comment here.

Its a nightmare or not ?

M_B_S

[Heineken]

Dear Heineken,
imagine, we have just 3-year-old-fellows here, speaking fluently german, you find your ears bleeding if listening too carefully

Unfortunately i can´t tell much from Austria, i have only been in the Alpes several times. Austria is within the couple of countries discussing "Energiewende" intensively. I think green powered electricity to be above 50% in Austria due to hydropower...

Babies are the true geniuses of the linguistics world. I began to be exposed to German from the age of 8, which is why it's stuck with me to the degree that it has, even in near-total neglect.

Yes, Austria is hydropower nirvana. However, global warming will slowly put an end to that as the high snows and glaciers disappear.

Where in Germany do you live? If you've been only one time to the Alps, maybe you're a northerner. Sprechen sie vielleicht Plattdeutsch? I think a northern German and a Viennese could hardly understand one another.

[davep]

hydropower nirvana. However, global warming will slowly put an end to that as the high snows and glaciers disappear.

I would agree. As well as glacier reduction, Switzerland recently had hydro-power reduced by 20% due to nearly two months of drought. It baint normal.

[Corella]

@Heineken: i´m originally from quite north, in deed enough for getting in touch with Plattdeutsch. For studies i moved to quite the mid of Germany and got stuck there. My world is small, further details please -> PN.

@MBS: i would like to leave the part playing a climatologist. I think there are some good informed persons in this forum, aren´t there? (Hansen is not saying something wrong. However and as you know, methane is reacting to CO2 pretty quick, an apocalyptic scenario would therefore imply huge amounts of methane-hydrat within a short time. There is much hope not to be near a situation like that, the rest is under examination, as far as i picked up. We need to get away from fossil energy anyway.)

@davep: yes, the glaciers are in awful conditions. There influence on effluent and hydropower is discussed by very different opinions. The lobby is denying the problem at all, saying glacier-waters are an extreme tiny part of the effluent. Direct measurements seem to support the opinion, but: i think you and Heineken are right, because of an underestimated influence of glaciers upon providing ground water... However, Europe could use dam lakes for pump storage which become extreme important right now.

[Revi]

Ich bin ein "climate hysteric" auch. Wilcommen!

[SeaGypsy]

Babies are the true geniuses of the linguistics world.

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BTW on that Steve, my 28 month daughter is at 5 year old level in English, Tagalog and Ilocano. She has been in Australia 5 months.

[Heineken]

Looks like she inherited your brains all right, Chris. If you want her to learn a fourth now's the time! She'll thank you for it later.

I've already forgotten almost every single one of the maybe 200 Tagalog words I learned. As I lie here I can't recall any of it except "hapon." Larf.

[agate]

Oh, Austria is a very nice place for holiday.

I had my honeymoon in Vienna. And last year we climbed on the "Dachstein" from Vorberg.

But Corella

Just have a look at this hot peace of paper:

http://www.flipdocs.com/showbook.aspx?I ... 692_698290

Artic Methane Alert

It would be nice to read your comment here.

Its a nightmare or not ?

M_B_S

Hello M_B_S, is really Vienna is good place for honeymoon? I am about to marry in the month of May.

[babystrangeloop]

Hi there,
i recently left a local forum dealing with same subjects. Too many radicals were touching my nerves and running discussions in circles.

The most important thing to learn is how to selectively ignore people. You'll never get anywhere if you are searching for a 100% signal, 0% noise world.