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Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 08:17:06

There is a generational impact as well.

My Millennial daughter is blaming the Baby boomer generation for ruining her future. The boomers created a generation gap with those who came before them on the way in, causing all kinds of historical issues in the 60's and early 70's. As the boomers depart, the mess they are leaving behind is truly epic. My parents generation was truly a historical enigma, that will be remembered by history only by its aberration from historical norms.

It plays into the energy story. The generation with the peak education, peak resources, peak lifestyle, peak mobility, peak everything. Think of how boomer 20 something's rock n' roll stars with their own private jets in the 60's was a departure from the previous norm? They have fly in hamburger joints now for boomer millionaires who have their private planes. No generation before or ever after will have had these luxuries or excesses.

When the boomers are mostly gone by the mid 2030's our society will be unrecognizable from its current form.

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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 09:38:31

Rod_Cloutier wrote:There is a generational impact as well.

My Millennial daughter is blaming the Baby boomer generation for ruining her future. The boomers created a generation gap with those who came before them on the way in, causing all kinds of historical issues in the 60's and early 70's. As the boomers depart, the mess they are leaving behind is truly epic. My parents generation was truly a historical enigma, that will be remembered by history only by its aberration from historical norms.

It plays into the energy story. The generation with the peak education, peak resources, peak lifestyle, peak mobility, peak everything. Think of how boomer 20 something's rock n' roll stars with their own private jets in the 60's was a departure from the previous norm? They have fly in hamburger joints now for boomer millionaires who have their private planes. No generation before or ever after will have had these luxuries or excesses.

When the boomers are mostly gone by the mid 2030's our society will be unrecognizable from its current form.

https://youtu.be/VVlFtA8ZUJ0?t=8s


There is a lot of truth in that. Up until the 'Boomers' were born every generation for the most part had respect bordering on reverence for the prior generations. They might resent what dear old dad did to the nth degree, but Mr. Smith next door was treated as a wise neighbor and Mr. Jones, their boss at work was a good man trying to make a living and providing them a job so they could do the same. When the Boomer generation came of age all that respect went out the window.

Instead of respect bordering on reverence we turned to despite and distrust. This lead to an entire 'me' generation that were focused on their own wants instead of what the culture as a whole needed to be sound and sensible. IMO anyhow. The concept of Progress as a way of serving humanity was thrown right out the door and 'Progress' came to mean making the most money for the Boomers as quickly as possible no matter what the consequences to the neighbors or the workers would be. Mechanization went from a steady pace of improvement to the breakneck pace of focusing only on the bottom line.

Some century and a half ago there was a cautionary tale written about the difference between 'heartless capitalism' and 'Christian capitalism' from a fellow named Charles Dickens. At the time England was torn between the 'progress' from capitalism and the societal costs of pursuing money above all other goals. The people who looked at the big picture saw factory work as a way to employ the poor at useful work and provide a living arrangement for them at the same time. Others, represented by Mr. Scrooge, saw personal profit as the only value of running a company.

It is a lesson we need to learn again. The whole reason the elites want open borders is to bring in illegal aliens as workers who have no voice. If they speak up they are threatened with deportation, it is a case of work your behind off for slave wages or get shipped back to the country you came from.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 11:25:54

If the Millennials would quit whining about the boomers, the police, capitalism (whatever that is) and every other goddam thing and crawl out of their safe spaces and get a haircut and wear normal clothes and turn down their music and get off their collective butts and get a job and go to work .....then maybe they could help fix things.

Until then--Get off my LAWN!

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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby MD » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 15:37:52

We ruined their future by coddling them.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 15:42:49

Sorry to disagree, Tanada, but the Boomers did make this mess. It has to do with the flower children of the 1960's, their rebellion that began against the Vietnam War, and ended up being against everything that our parent's generation stood for, the painful lessons of WW2.

Of course, some of us never rebelled and never respected those that did. My Father was a W4 Warrant Officer in the USCG, he "ran a tight ship", supporting as he did six kids, his Mother, and his baby sister. We never had luxury vacations, fancy cars, fancy homes, and seldom ate out.

So the Boomers spawned the Millenials and listened to Dr. Spock when it came to discipline, and now we have a mess. Approximately half the country exists to pleasure themselves, spoil themselves, and to He!! with everybody else except me-me-me. They don't even save for the future, because they believe that they have a rich uncle named Sam who will be their Nanny, feed them, give them money, and wipe the drool off their chins. The other half the country has values, and the two halves pretty much dispise and hate each other.

YES it is today pretty much R vs. D. In my youth, there was indeed a much broader range of political philosophy, with both R and D ultra-conservatives, and ultra-liberals - kinda. Liberalism back then was bound up almost exclusively with civil rights for minorities, and the D's were champions of ethnic and religious hatred, the ultra-right-wing Dixiecrats.

Nowadays everybody except some minority groups think that Civil Rights are over with, and it's OK to demand free healthcare, free money, and free stuff in general, because you shouldn't have to work to have the same stuff and the same freedoms as those that do work.

Frankly, they ought to pay bounties on liberal D scalps, same as the D's used to pay on Native American scalps.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 16:30:59

So the Boomers spawned the Millenials


Sorry, you missed a generation. I was born in 1970 to hippie parents. My dad had hair longer than my mother, and he'd regularly have friends over to watch hockey night in Canada, and then they'd drop acid together. My parents had an openly gay friend who would walk around in pink pants, and for awhile he lived in the basement of my house, when I was a young kid in the 70s, and I was brought up thinking this was perfectly normal.

Firmly identify as 'Generation X' here, my parents were boomers, who spawned Gen X (Me), and I spawned a couple of Millennial's. My whole life has been 'Walking in the shadow of the elephant', nothing that I or anyone my age could do could compare with the achievements, lifestyles, conspicuous consumption, and extravagance of the boomers. My kids see the incredible wealth of the boomers with justifiable envy. They are also loathe to the narratives of their grandparents generation; Guy McPherson sums this up nicely with this short quote:

https://youtu.be/ysR4OxSco-o?t=6m37s
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 16:52:03

No generation is monolithic. i.e. as a general rule, hippies aren't heavy industry industrialists, soldiers aren't pacifists, nuns aren't terrorists, etc.

It's easy to sit and blame someone, anyone else. It's a lot tougher to try to do something about the problems one sees with one's own effort and sacrifice (including living well below one's means, to curb consumption, or forego having children, to curb current and future consumption).

Until the vast majority of younger generations are actually doing something about the problems instead of continuing (with style changes like smart phone in hand) doing what the previous generations did (i.e consuming all they can afford AND borow) -- the whole exercise of generation "A" blaming generation "B" is pointless and rather silly.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:13:15

the whole exercise of generation "A" blaming generation "B" is pointless and rather silly.


It doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. I think it will escalate, quite dramatically, in the years to come.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:14:57

Rod_Cloutier wrote:
the whole exercise of generation "A" blaming generation "B" is pointless and rather silly.


It doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. I think it will escalate, quite dramatically, in the years to come.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't say or imply it "can't happen." I said it's rather pointless without actual change/action to FIX the things the millennials are complaining about.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Rod_Cloutier » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:19:44

Millennial's are great though, love my kids. Here is the most famous millennial comedian: (She's great)

https://youtu.be/sOfXd30vpVk?t=2s
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 29 Jul 2017, 17:28:56

When boomers were setting themselves up, migration was a very small element. Nowadays, rich countries prop up flagging bottom lines, pumping real estate bubbles, by importing people. Instead of competing with each other, in our countries, we now compete with the world.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby GASMON » Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:05:17

I'm a boomer, just fully retired.

NOBODY EVER gave me anything. What I have I have earned, worked bloody hard for all my life, and that includes both my UK state pension (paid for with over 40 years National Insurance payments) and my work pension, similarly funded.

Gen X hippies and Millenial's need to understand hard work.

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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby baha » Sun 30 Jul 2017, 14:47:33

I am the last of the boomers. Born in 1960. I have been pushed and told how to behave by everyone who came before me. It wasn't until I broke loose that I felt fulfilled. But there are advantages to being at the end. All the boomers that go before me will make the healthcare system work by the time I need it (I hope).

Gasmon, I agree. No one ever gave me anything. But I also did my share of screwing the pooch :) I work with millenials, who work hard. My impression is they are happy and motivated (in their own way) without a care in the world. Kind of like I was back then.

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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 30 Jul 2017, 16:47:38

I don't see any great improvement in the consumption patterns of the millennials vs the boomers. Per capita energy consumption today is more or less where it was in the 60s. Per capita co2 emissions today are worse than they were in the 60s. Household debt levels are much worse today than in the 60s. This is supposed to be an improvement?

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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Pennzoil bill » Mon 31 Jul 2017, 00:13:04

Gen y speaking up and what really suck is that we asked why and the result was to be converted into a millennial or called a dinosaur in your late 20s early 30s. At 37, I'm enjoying my retirement and maybe one day, after tshtf I'll use my college education and start a school, until then, I fix jeeps, real jeeps like xj, zj, and if we can ever get this damn mj going.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 31 Jul 2017, 13:12:35

Pennzoil bill wrote:Gen y speaking up and what really suck is that we asked why and the result was to be converted into a millennial or called a dinosaur in your late 20s early 30s. At 37, I'm enjoying my retirement and maybe one day, after tshtf I'll use my college education and start a school, until then, I fix jeeps, real jeeps like xj, zj, and if we can ever get this damn mj going.

37 and using the word retirement. Kudos! (You make me look like a piker/idiot for not getting out until age 48, and I considered that success (for me)).

So is this retirement getting out of the corporate (or just hated) 9-5? Or is it getting to do what you want (i.e. fixing real jeeps) for your income, instead of having to answer to "the man"?

Just curious, as the words retirement and 37 are very rare when used together in the US, unless it's along with some investment hype scheme in some financial channel "article" (or making assumptions about income and expenses (like medical) that aren't what my scaredy-cat butt would consider a "secure" retirement).

Again, congrats -- whatever your definition of successful retirement might be.
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Re: Boomers vs. Millenials

Unread postby ralfy » Tue 01 Aug 2017, 18:34:47

An American dream based primarily on consumerism

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