DesuMaiden wrote:I think a Malthusian disaster is going to happen sometime in the near future. I just hope I can survive it. Anyone got any tips on how to survival a Malthusian catastrophe?
vtsnowedin wrote:T.R. Malthus was off by about two hundred years in his predictions being blindsided by the invention of the steam engine and all the progress that it led to. But I do agree that he is about to be proven ultimately correct absent a workable fusion reactor.
How to survive it?
Be a team member of the biggest strongest team that controls the most resources and has the means to protect them.
In short be a US citizen.
JohnnyOnTheFarm wrote:DesuMaiden wrote:I think a Malthusian disaster is going to happen sometime in the near future. I just hope I can survive it. Anyone got any tips on how to survival a Malthusian catastrophe?
An interesting topic to chime in on, as a first timer here.
May I ask a question? Your question appears to imply that someone might want to survive a Malthusian catastrophe? It would seem to me that with the quality of survival capabilities of most First and Second worlders, they would perceive any decrease in their lifestyle as unacceptable in general, and would be like fish out of water in an environment that might require them to cook some food they themselves have caught or grown, and then the thought of this going on and on and on..well...why would most want to survive?
On Friday, dozens of people appeared at a local ravine overgrown with shrubs, all desperate to get any water they could from an obscure water pipe, the only source in their neighbourhood.
Things are so bad I had to get dirty sewage water just to re-use to flush my toilets.
Rosa da Silva, Itu resident
With empty buckets and plastic soda bottles in hand, they waited patiently in line, some for more than an hour.
This is where Rosa da Silva waited to get water, now a precious commodity in many neighbourhoods in this working class town of 154,000 people outside Sao Paulo.
Da Silva, who lives with her three children and two adult relatives, has been without water in her home for 12 days.
"I have to get water here to cook and clean because we haven't had one drop of water in our house (in the past 12 days)," she said.
Another Itu resident, 84-year-old Antonio Barbosa, shuffled up to the line holding a plastic bottle.
"It’s been 10 days without water in my house, so I come here to get a little so I can take a shower and cool down so I can sleep," he said.
Nobody is quite sure where the water from the pipe comes from or if it is clean. Some people say they have become sick from it, others say they have not.
What most here do agree on is that it is humiliating to have to do this and it’s out of necessity not desire.
“If the drought continues, residents will face more dramatic water shortages in the short term,” Vicente Andreu, president of Brazil’s National Water Agency and a member of Rousseff’s Workers’ Party, told reporters in Sao Paulo. “If it doesn’t rain, we run the risk that the region will have a collapse like we’ve never seen before,” he later told state lawmakers.
It doesn't take much to understand why California is so worried about drought. Reservoirs are ever-dwindling. Rainfall is sporadic at best. And let's not forget about the millions of gallons of precious water recently flooding the streets of Brentwood.
More than 80% of California is in extreme drought, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, and the state's condition isn't expected to improve in the near future.
The Drought Monitor, which collects data from 50 different weather indicators, have shown an increasingly red California since 2011, the last time the drought map was clear.
Watch the 6-second snap-shot here.
U.S. Airlines resisted to give us a refund at first, they insisted that they could not be held accountable for what the government chose to do. I showed them the boarding pass and the SSSS, then told them why I believed I was marked and harassed. They immediately began to process the refund request, one lady said “that sends chills up my spine that they would do that to you”. I thanked them and we left the airport.
This incident reaffirmed to me the danger that the American people are in. When a very small group of elitists use the peoples power without authority, and are willing to destroy the lives of those who disagree or stand up to them, when this type of unlimited power is commonly exercised without checks and balances the people are in danger.
KingM wrote:-snip-
The only possible solutions, long term, are either a population limited by the environment (in the case of humans, disease and starvation), or enforced government control over procreation, deciding who can reproduce and when. I'm not keen on the government option, but I'm less thrilled about the alternative.
Whitefang wrote:About survival, be prepared to leave town to find more trees and less people.
Guns and ammo are heavy to carry, might be usefull tools at the start of collapse, no gradual decent into chaos when it comes to food. A rifle for hunting small game, light ammo but useless after that last round. Same for small handgun.
To become a special force in the army is fine for prepping and training but you do not want to be on the terror side when SHTF for real and at your home.
Having no army at hand to defend my house or even that bug out 5th wheel loaded with everything needed to come through the first winter into the wild.
One would have to be very picky where to relocate, fresh water is absolutely essential. Northwest comes to mind......
Long term survival and while out in the wild, why not seek the spirit instead of things we do involving more and more complex machines, nothingness which is death.
You would have to learn to take only what is needed, live of the land, forage, fish, trap and hunt.
Make fire, shelter, natural medicine and so on.
KaiserJeep wrote:but the planet itself is doomed, there is no fixing the damage.
KaiserJeep wrote:KingM wrote:-snip-
The only possible solutions, long term, are either a population limited by the environment (in the case of humans, disease and starvation), or enforced government control over procreation, deciding who can reproduce and when. I'm not keen on the government option, but I'm less thrilled about the alternative.
Ridiculous. The doomsday scenario and the periodic population expansion and collapse are indeed the results of a species that places no constraints on it's own growth. However, the population statistics of developed nations show that population stabilizes long before collapse - for example, without uncontrolled immigration from less developed countries to the South of us, the USA would have a falling population today. Overshoot is the result of a culture that has had less than two generations of modern medicine and less than two generations of productive mechanized agriculture - i.e. a healthy environment and a plentitude of food, and a strong tradition of large families to overcome a chillingly high infant mortality rate.
dashster wrote:JohnnyOnTheFarm wrote:DesuMaiden wrote:I think a Malthusian disaster is going to happen sometime in the near future. I just hope I can survive it. Anyone got any tips on how to survival a Malthusian catastrophe?
An interesting topic to chime in on, as a first timer here.
May I ask a question? Your question appears to imply that someone might want to survive a Malthusian catastrophe? It would seem to me that with the quality of survival capabilities of most First and Second worlders, they would perceive any decrease in their lifestyle as unacceptable in general, and would be like fish out of water in an environment that might require them to cook some food they themselves have caught or grown, and then the thought of this going on and on and on..well...why would most want to survive?
I have the same thoughts. I see people here talking about how everything is gonna go to hell in a handbasket and there is nothing we can do to stop it. Except, they appear to be talking about having prepared for it and living through it and seem quite satisfied with regard to that prospect.
One thing you would need is a big arsenal of guns, because for a while at least, a lot of hungry people would be coming to call.
KaiserJeep wrote:We can doom our own species on the planet, at least. We have already done so. I was speaking of that thin film of life that itself makes this a desirable place to live. We are destroying that life at a rate unprecedented in all of Natural History.
To me, mankind is the only part of the Ecosystem that matters. I care not if any of the other species continue to exist. In my human-centric view, they are only there to serve humanity, as food or companionship or transportation.
KaiserJeep wrote: Forget that, you in truth cannot even convince a majority that their presence and lifestyles are the reason the planet is dying, much less get them to change their ways.
Tech will enable us to escape the fate of the Earth. The planet was only the creche, the true home of humanity is in Space - interplanetary space for the next few centuries, and interstellar space after that.
It matters not and I care not whether you agree with my analysis or not. It's going to happen anyway. After the die-off on Earth, the place will be squalid, ugly, and unhealthy, - occupied by cannibals that differ in no important way from orcs or zombies - save that they are born to and aspire to be more effective human predators. We will gaze down upon it and shudder that our ancestors occupied such an ugly and hostile environment. We will devise ever more capable robots so that no human ever need set foot on a planet again.
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