SILENTTODD wrote:Quick and easy summery of the concept of "PEAK OIL" that has been discussed ad infinitum for at least the last eight years I have read this site. But nothing about how to survive it!
DesuMaiden wrote:SILENTTODD wrote:Quick and easy summery of the concept of "PEAK OIL" that has been discussed ad infinitum for at least the last eight years I have read this site. But nothing about how to survive it!
The best way to survive peak oil is to adapt to a life without petroleum-based products.
davep wrote:DesuMaiden wrote:SILENTTODD wrote:Quick and easy summery of the concept of "PEAK OIL" that has been discussed ad infinitum for at least the last eight years I have read this site. But nothing about how to survive it!
The best way to survive peak oil is to adapt to a life without petroleum-based products.
That's not as simple as it may sound as you can't divorce yourself entirely from current infrastructure, food production models, economic system based on debt/growth (requiring fossil fuel energy to perpetuate) etc etc. Learning about the likes of permaculture and planting edible perennials (walnuts, chestnuts etc) is a wise thing to do if possible. They take quite a long time to start producing, but will do so for many many years. And broader permaculture principles are also worth looking into.
And try to avoid getting into debt.
SILENTTODD wrote:Quick and easy summery of the concept of "PEAK OIL" that has been discussed ad infinitum for at least the last eight years I have read this site. But nothing about how to survive it!
It’s the autumn of 2025 AD. The technoindustrial system fell apart a year ago, but you and your friends are doing alright. Your garden has flourished this past summer and in your cabin you have a good supply of dried vegetables, dried beans and other foodstuffs to get you through the coming winter. Just now you’re harvesting your potatoes. With your spades, you and your friends uproot one potato after another and pick the plump tubers out of the soil.
Suddenly the friend at your elbow nudges you and you look up. Uh-oh. A gang of mean-looking men is coming up your trail. They have guns. They look like trouble, but you stand firm. The leader of the gang walks up to you and says,
“Nice looking potatoes you got there.”
“Yeah,” you reply. “They’re nice-looking potatoes.”
“We’re going to take them” says the gang leader.
“The hell you are!” you answer. “We spent a long summer of hard work growing those potatoes…”
The gang leader points his rifle at your face and says, “—— you, punk.” To his men he adds, “Dick, Ziggy, check the cabin and see what kind of food they got. We might just move in and spend the winter here. Mick, grab that bitch over there before she gets away. She got a nice ass. We’ll all screw her tonight.”
You get angry and start shouting, “You bastard! You can’t…”
The rifle goes BANG. You’re dead.
pstarr wrote:You get as far from the sprawl zone as humanly possible. The suburbs will be hell as the burbs are dependent on cheap fuel and a retail economy now in the state of collapse. Either go to a large northern city well supplied with water like New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Oakland . . . or a small town very far from the city. Note: zombie hordes (ie young suburban men 25-40) will be on the move (as they always have been) in search of territory, either in the city or the country. This demographic has few social skills. That is why if you choose to go small, you must move far away. And have a gun.
Cities are good for several reasons:
--installed and maintained railroad/interstate/barge system
--Multi-unit dwellings are energy-efficient, cheaper to heat/cool.
--walkable, less dependent on fuel
--full of wealth. You can leech/suck-up and protect wealth, and/or bottom fish from corrupt black-markets. Your caloric intake will be maintained (as grain-gruel, porridge, slop and an occasional turkey-tetrazzini ie shit-on-a-shingle for good behavior) so as to ensure peace and calm for the Masters.
Or choose a small remote town in a temperate climate with abundant water (to grow additional food). This town must currently has a net-export economy, and the capacity in the future to supply natural capital (farm products, timber, mineral, fisheries) to distant cities. Such a small town will be (almost by definition) connected to a major transport system (rail line, interstate, river) to said city. Food/ore destined for the city will pass by you, ripe for the pickings. The transport system will also be defended (drones) by the Masters, in the city, to ensure their comfort.
Deputy Barnes wrote:Most Americans are in some form of debt. If the system collapses it will all be effectively forgiven (or should I say forgotten) since there's not gonna be any debt collecting going on when there are cannibals running around named, f()cking in the bushes. So if you were as smart as you say you are you'd rack up all the debt you can since there will never be any consequences. Go ahead and buy yourself $40,000 worth of salt and high powered flashlights. It just might keep those Ontario vampires at bay.
Deputy Barnes wrote:The United States of America is home to over 300,000,000 human beings, many of them containing every bit as much fat as a buffalo. They cannot run quickly, are easy to catch and are safe to eat raw.
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