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Re: Do you have an

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 08:39:49
by onlooker
I can't either. Which does not mean some sort of pragmatic limited "solutions" are not available for some of these intractable problems. It just means our administrative structure ie. political system in combination with the general populace has continuously shown either a meager understanding of the issues involved or a clear reluctance to engage them wholeheartedly. And the reluctance seems to stem from either a downplaying of the seriousness of the threats and/or a recognition of the disturbance of current ways of living and perceived sacrifices involved

Re: Do you have an

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 10:23:59
by asg70
The invisible hand of the market can deal with peak-oil in particular...based on how it's currently shaking out. This will not be able to deal with the larger issue of overshoot and limits to growth, however.

Re: Do you have an

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 10:46:15
by KaiserJeep
All good discussion, about topics worthy of thought. Yet somehow, the esscence of the underlying problem was missed.

There are 7.7+ billion humans on a planet that can at most support 1 billion or less sustainably. Their mere presence is killing the planet at an accelerating pace. As the damage accumulates, that sustainable total number of humans continues to decline.

Find solutions to EVERYTHING on the list above, and the planet ecology would still crash from the human overshoot.

The human die-off is the solution, and it is something that you should embrace, not something to be feared. For only by dying in massive numbers, can the world be saved from humans.

In fact, don't go making any plans to survive doom, to go on living when most around you are dying. To carve a future out of a dying Earth is to place you and yours at the center of the problem. A Doomstead is the ultimate expression of not understanding what the real problem even is.

So eat your food stash. Return your land to it's natural state. Dispose responsibly of all your possessions. Vanish from the Earth and leave no trace that you ever existed.

When all remaining humans have accepted this as their lifestyle, the human overshoot will be at an end, and the long emergency will be over.

Re: Do you have an

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 11:09:53
by onlooker
Yes, ultimately whatever we do or not will not matter, if we cannot keep our population to a certain maximum level. We have already far exceeded that level and so a considerable die off is now assured

Re: Do you have an

Unread postPosted: Thu 08 Mar 2018, 12:25:14
As discussed many times before: PO is not a "problem"'s a "predicament". Problems have potential solutions. With predicaments you can have useful responses and disastrous responses. But the predicament will remain.