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VE Day

Unread postby AgentR11 » Sun 08 May 2016, 18:20:42

A salute to those who fought and bleed, sacrificed and died, to crush Nazi Germany. From the 20 something girl in nail polish showing up at the steel mill in the US; to the peasant in Russia who just had a rifle stuffed in his hands and ordered to march into impossible odds and certain death, for a cause he had no idea what it was. We stood up to real evil. Together. And prevailed.
Yes we are, as we are,
And so shall we remain,
Until the end.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby regardingpo » Mon 09 May 2016, 04:47:34

And they lived happily ever after.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 09 May 2016, 10:06:40

Confused....
We are human. Human's don't do happily ever after.
But we Europeans and adopted spawn have managed to not kill millions of each other ever since.
I would call that, good enough.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby vox_mundi » Mon 09 May 2016, 10:19:35

In their day, they performed the ultimate sacrifice and created a bright future for the victors. And a measure of peace prevailed for a time.

But one has to wonder, whether, in their victory, like in Tolkien's Ring trilogy, the victors failed to destroy the One Ring ...
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them

In Nuremberg they saw the threat, but some secretly escaped to South America (or to the U.S. with our governments approval).

Others continued to fester and grow in power in plain sight - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s ... ndworldwar and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

With the rise of right-wing nationalists groups across the globe, it seems that the evil is re-consolidating.

Eisenhower saw another threat. He warned the nation - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY - they didn't listen.

As has been repeated throughout history, this has only one outcome.
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

Insensible before the wave so soon released by callous fate. Affected most, they understand the least, and understanding, when it comes, invariably arrives too late.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby claman » Mon 09 May 2016, 12:30:36

Those who lose money in a "new financial system", want to be compensated, and those who gain money want to proliferate freely.
A democratic system would favourise those who want to have more babies, while a more fascistic system would be good for the established .
Democracy and fascismen are the two opposite poles in western industrialized society, and has been used every time we have great societal problems.

In muslim societies, whenever they face big social problems, they go back to the basic words of the choran, trying to wipe out the old and start anew. That might have worked in earliar times, but I doubt it will work this time

The christian system, pendling between democracy, communism and fascismen, has no way of solving the new problems concerning overpopulation.

The Muslim system on the other hand produce vast overpopulation, but would, as I see it , not mind if a lot of people died. That would be an act of Allah, and nothing we ordinairy people should interfer with.

So as I see it ,neither socialism, fascism, democracy or the present varieties of Islam, can solve the planets problems as it is today, because none of them actually wants to deal with overpopulation. Each of them benefits from overpopulation.
Only Preppers dare to face the political and moral sides of this problem.
Nature should be allowed to kill us all if we don’t fit into our local eco-system.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby claman » Mon 09 May 2016, 12:36:39

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Nature should be allowed to kill us all if we don’t fit into our local eco-system.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby claman » Mon 09 May 2016, 13:17:37

Vox : "But one has to wonder, whether, in their victory, like in Tolkien's Ring trilogy, the victors failed to destroy the One Ring ...
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them"
The "Ring of overpopulation" never crossed their mind, they just worked for the immediate benefits of their own tripe
Nature should be allowed to kill us all if we don’t fit into our local eco-system.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby onlooker » Wed 11 May 2016, 16:38:06

WWII, the last war when some vestige of nobility could be discerned.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby eugene » Wed 11 May 2016, 22:09:03

Anyone who sees "nobility" in WWII doesn't know much about it. As far as killing millions, America/Europe have most certainly accomplished that and continues to do so. In fact, seems to me it's very human to kill on as massive a scale as possible. All in the name of some god or another, freeing others and just plain goodness. We are a vicious animal that hides behind the rationalizations of our minds. We rationalize because we can't face what we are.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 11 May 2016, 23:28:18

If you will read what I wrote regarding millions, you will note I was VERY VERY careful about what I wrote.

Humans are, at our core, territorial predators of unmatched lethality with a lust for violence simply for the sake of violence. We kill, torture, and maim, because it amuses us. That is the baser nature of man. One we should aspire to overcome, but you can not overcome it, if you do not confront it.
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Re: VE Day

Unread postby onlooker » Thu 12 May 2016, 01:09:35

Eugene, I am not condoning War in any way. What I was saying was that in WWII, an aggressor with a notable "evil" agenda was on the rampage and US and Europe marshaled a response to this. I hate War in all its manifestations. However, sometimes it is inevitable when one side forces the issue. I do find it noble for young men and women to sacrifice their lives with the mentality that they are doing it to further a noble aim of stopping the spread of an intolerant, violent and racist ideology and agenda. Now, what this actually the case. Probably not as the West as you have pointed out as been anything but exemplary in its actions before or after WWII. However, the perception is what counts here and people in the "free" world had a noble perception that they were fighting for a better world. Oh and as for what Agent said, yes we must confront what we have done throughout our history, if ever a better world can be had.
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