Planty wrote:YOU did not "prove me wrong."
You said:
Gosh this is great. Obama is running around saying how great the US economy is doing because we're at 5% unemployment, but if you drill deeper most new jobs are part time and pay crappy wages.
Yes, I indeed proved you wrong about most new jobs being part time. I repeat that which I proved factually with charts:
Part-time employment has been flat for six years while full-time employment has risen by 13 million. That, my friend, contradicts your claim, at least about part-time employment. Wages are a more complicated matter and depend on how you define "crappy," but that's another debate.
Planty wrote:Look at your own charts. During the 2009 recession the number of new part-time jobs jumped by 3 million to a new record high. Meanwhile full-time jobs dropped by about 11 million jobs.
And
since then, part-time jobs have been flat while full-time jobs have risen by 13 million, reaching a new high. You're trying to win the argument by citing something that happened 7-8 years ago, completely ignoring everything that's happened since then.
Planty wrote:Here we are 7 years later and part time jobs are still +3 million jobs above the 2008 level...
Another disingenuous argument because part-time jobs NEVER decrease after a recession is over, even
long after a recession is over.
-- 7 years after the start of the 1982 recession part-time jobs were higher than they were before that recession.
-- 7 years after the start of the 1990 recession part-time jobs were higher than they were before that recession.
-- 7 years after the start of the 2001 recession part-time jobs were higher than they were before that recession.
Planty wrote:while full time jobs are only about 2 million above the 2008 peak.
Notice here he is suddenly jumping from his previous claim of "7 years" (which would start in 2009) to "2008" - which would put it at
8 years. That way he doesn't have to deal with the fact that, since
7 years ago, or 2009 (his original claims), full-time jobs have risen by some
13 million. So basically he's picking whatever time frame best suits his argument, even if he has to continually move that time frame around from sentence to sentence.
Planty wrote:3 million new part time jobs since 2008 is more than 2 million new full time jobs since 2008.
To prove my claim above about part-time after other recessions ...
DataJuly 1981: 17.001 million working part-time
July 1988: 19.839 million working part-time
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Growth of 2.838 million part-time workers
Aug 1990: 19.982 million working part-time
Aug 1997: 23.098 million working part-time
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Growth of 3.116 million part-time workers. Unfortunately this was complicated by the 1994 re-definition.
April 2001: 23.115 million working part-time
April 2008: 25.352 million working part-time
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Growth of 2.237 million part-time workers.
As I said, 7 years after the start of a recession, part-time jobs are
always higher than they were at the start of the recession.
Planty wrote:The facts are clear----Most of the new jobs over the last 7 years have been part time jobs---and that is STILL true now 7 years into a very very weak recovery.
Notice, once again, he has now been careful to frame his time period into the "last 7 years." Let us remind him of his original complaint:
Planty wrote:Gosh this is great. Obama is running around saying how great the US economy is doing because we're at 5% unemployment, but if you drill deeper most new jobs are part time and pay crappy wages.
Thanks Obama! But a shift in the US workforce from mostly full-time jobs to mostly poorly paid part-time jobs isn't the kind of change we were hoping for!
Clearly his gripe is with Obama, so let us focus
entirely on the time period since Obama took office. Obama took office in January 2009, so we'll start all our statistics then:
Full-time dataPart-time dataJan 2009 work part-time: 26.377 milllion
Mar 2016 work part-time: 27.818 million
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Growth of 1.441 million new part-time workers
Jan 2009 work full-time: 115.818 million
Mar 2016 work full-time: 123.447 million
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Growth of 7.629 million new full-time workers
Thus I have clearly, factually and unambiguously proven Planty wrong.
There are more than 5 times more new workers working full-time since Obama took office than there are the same working part-time. It'll be amusing seeing how he weasels his way out of this one!