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wrote: urban vs. rural question ... where will my chances of survival be better?
kublikhan wrote:I predict the opposite: cities will continue to exist and function in a post oil world. Cities were around for a long time before oil and will be around for a long time after. They are centers of commerce, residence, and social functions. The urge to flee to the boonies is the old "fight or flight" response and speaks more about our fears than rational thought. Even in times of dire strife, like the collapse of the Soviet Union or the Great Depression, the cities fared better than those living in rural settings. People migrated to the cities looking for food, jobs, and shelter. City populations increased during these hard times, not decreased. No man is an island. No matter how well prepared you think you are for times of dire strife, you will still need society to function.USSR Collapse - Russia in the 1990sAs I was thinking about this topic, I was struck by the following realization, counter-intuitive but supported by evidence. The limiting factor in the survival, on both the level of the individual and the community, was not the ability to produce your own products and not even the available resources or lack of them. It was transport and infrastructure - the ability to trade, deliver your surplus elsewhere and from there get other things you need.
This is why rural areas and small towns in Russia took a very hard hit in the 90s, and may never fully recover, as some say. One would think it should be exactly the opposite - people would have gone into the remote villages and live off the land and the woods. However, even in the most self-sufficient household one cannot produce or make everything needed. And being in a remote location makes it difficult to deliver surplus to others in a timely manner for trading or exchange, especially with the roads being as atrocious as they were.
The lesson from this is that the desire to hide out in the boondocks results from a 'fight or flight' emotional response to a stressful situation, and in the long run is counterproductive. Instead, a survivor should network within the community, stay just close enough to major traffic routes, keep the transportation lines open and have some kind of vehicle at one's disposal. A truck is good if there is reliable fuel available (the rising prices of oil should be considered). A horse too, if things get that bad. It is best to be by a river or another body of water, it is very good to live by the bridge, ferry or a dock on one's property, and a boat.
One thing that is important to mention is that organized crime moved in very quickly to control all the trade and businesses. Mafia and gangs banded together based on location and/or ethnicity. Therefore, one shouldn't be afraid so much of people with guns who come to take your food away, but rather of people who come with guns and demand a regularly paid share of your profit or surplus.
The value of education didn't decrease. On the contrary, it increased, especially for certain professions. In truth the most valuable major in my college ended up being geology and geophysics. It was the easiest to get into but the graduates were snapped up by Russian and foreign corporations in the booming oil and related industry, to do the exploration of natural resources, and have on average done exceedingly well.City Life During the Great DepressionAs the Depression deepened, cities attracted beaten people from all parts of the country. Farmers whose livelihoods had been foreclosed packed up their families and moved into the cities. Hoboes and other itinerants sought shelter in cities during harsh winters. City dwellers themselves were not immune to the rails of the nation. Thousands of unemployed residents who could not pay their rent or mortgages were evicted into the world of public assistance and bread lines.
At President Hoover's beckoning, charities had stepped in to help ease the burden on municipal resources. Hoover was a firm believer in volunteerism. Feeling that each community was responsible for aiding people in distress, Hoover created programs that bolstered morale and encouraged charity.
In 1930 the International Apple Shippers Association was faced with an oversupply of fruit and came up with a unique solution to a national problem: to clear out their warehouses and give the unemployed a way to make a little money, they sold apples on credit. The ploy worked. Months later a shivering apple vendor could be found standing over a fruit crate on the corner of every major American city. By the end of November there were six thousand people selling apples in New York alone. The trend spread, and suddenly there were pitchmen of all persuasions standing alongside the apple sellers, handling everything from patent medicines to gaudy neckties.
Many people planted subsistence gardens in vacant lots or rooftops to feed themselves when grocery money was really scarce. Twenty thousand of these gardens were reported in Gary, Indiana, alone.
Kub, it is an interesting area. Del Norte, Humboldt, Mendocino, Trinity, Lake counties are covered in valuable redwood and doug fir and have very low population density . . . on average. The Coastal Range is new geology (Pacific Plate/San Andreas activity), very rugged, and hugs the ocean. Only two roads (largely two lanes) cross the mountains out of Humboldt Bay (A third, Rt.36 is mostly a private pot highway.)kublikhan wrote:Pstarr, how is your location peak oil friendly? You mentioned you lived in a rural setting, but it had some unique circumstances that lessened some of the traditional drawbacks of rural living. Care to elaborate?
kublikhan wrote: That's the way to do it, stay where you love it
pstarr wrote:Sweet. I see a yurt, deer fenced orchard, and a chicken coop? Is that a stream/small river in front? You are not facing south.
Now I understand. I assumed you were not facing south because I didn't see PV anywhere. But you explained why. You are in gloom deeper than mine PV doesn't work in rain!careinke wrote:pstarr wrote:Sweet. I see a yurt, deer fenced orchard, and a chicken coop? Is that a stream/small river in front? You are not facing south.
The property slopes to the ESE, not perfect but close enough. From the yurt, there is an awesome view of Mt Rainier.
Me too. I just discovered this; Eagle nestcareinke wrote:I have to say, every morning I wake up with a smile on my face for being so lucky to have finally put down roots in what I consider paradise.
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