[Cid_Yama]

Vitaliy Feshchenko, one of thousands of Ukrainian volunteers fighting pro-Russian rebels, has this message for government leaders back in the capital Kiev: his battle-hardened men might come for them next.

It might be hard to imagine how Ukraine, nearly bankrupt and being steadily dismembered by Russian troops and heavily armed pro-Russian separatists, could get more chaotic. Angry veterans heading to Kiev would accomplish that.

"We're going to give them half a year to show the country has somehow changed, that even if it's hard, there's light ahead," Yuriy Bereza, Dnipro-1's popular commander, told AFP.

Asked what would happen should that deadline pass, another paramilitary member at headquarters, a tall man in civilian clothing with a pistol strapped to his side, didn't hesitate.

"A coup," he said.

Dnipro-1's headquarters are on the ground floor of the Dnipropetrovsk administration building. Upstairs sits the regional governor, Igor Kolomoisky.

The arrangement is no accident: Kolomoisky, one of Ukraine's most controversial billionaires, funds the paramilitary, which returns the favour in these troubled times by boosting the banking and industrial tycoon's personal security and political clout.

All the signs are of a flourishing military enterprise.

Questions over the far right leanings of the volunteer groups and allegations of involvement in the murder of civilians cast a long shadow.

One of the most controversial is the Azov Battalion, which uses the Wolfsangel insignia -- an ancient design that was resurrected in Hitler's Germany. The Azov has been linked to Oleg Lyashko, a politician accused of neo-Nazi sympathies.

Right Sector, an ultra-nationalist party, also has its own battalion of several hundred men on the frontlines, even if the government refuses to register or pay them.

The interior ministry, which oversees the paramilitaries, was quoted saying in September that there are now 34 such groupings and Zgurets estimates that the country's total of combat ready troops now tops 50,000 men.

Although the army retains control over heavy weaponry, the motivated -- and increasingly well equipped and skilled -- volunteer groups remain crucial.

Amid Ukraine's increasingly feverish patriotism, Putin is seen as bordering on the diabolical.

But among the volunteer battalions there is almost equal hatred for the corrupt bureaucrats running their country and the military top brass responsible for bloody fiascos like the massacre of troops retreating from Ilovaisk in August.

Which is why if the government doesn't act quickly on those promises to rebuild Ukraine, today's battle might move to the capital, where the revolution began.

"The people who were in the war won't accept any sliding back," Oliynyk says.

Slutskovska's eyes shone with anger in Right Sector's dingy Dnipropetrosk office, when asked how she would react to failure of reforms.

"We'll just go straight there with weapons," she said. "There'll be a coup."

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Heil Kolomoisky! Sieg Heil! The Nazis are going to seize full control of Western Ukraine. They are following the same script as pre-1933 Germany. Outlaw the left prior to the elections. Then, following the elections, stop pretending and just take total power.

The West will find it hard to hide a full-fledged Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine.

[JuanP]

Who knows what will happen in Ukraine? I only know things there have to get worse before they get better. The Kiev government needs to end the civil war, end all energy subsidies, balance the budget, survive the winter, and focus on basics for some years. I don't think the people in power in Kiev are up to the task.
Kolomoisky is a nefarious character. There is no doubt that he wants more power, and he already has a lot. He could attempt a coup or a secession at any time.
I think Ukraine could end up broken in pieces like Yugoslavia and Iraq. I consider the results of this election clear. Karkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk, and Odessa want out. Dnipropetrovsk is divided in half and Kiev 60/40. The former Ukraine could easily end up divided in four or five separate political entities, some of which may be absorbed by neighbors as happened in Crimea.

[Cid_Yama]

The 6 month timetable is no accident. Look for it to start May 1. Nobody wants to fight a war in Ukraine in winter.

So far no one has stepped forward to pay Ukraine's gas bill. After a winter of cold, the people will be ripe for a new Hitler. At least in the western half.

[dissident]

Love that propaganda about Russian troops fighting on "Ukrainian" soil. Once a media piece has this pathetic parroting of Kiev regime lies, it loses its credibility.

It is a fact that there are four to five thousand volunteers from Russia fighting against regime forces. Not one single cell phone video or photograph has been produced, including by the US with its parade of blurry Digital Globe images (that includes combine harvester images with the claim they are artillery pieces), that shows these alleged Russian troops in Ukraine. This must be the best covert conventional military operation in all time. It puts mythical Japanese ninjas to shame. Also, I don't see the USA and its media mouthpieces complaining about jihadi volunteers fighting Assad's government in Syria. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

The western media refuses to accurately cover this conflict. Somehow 8 million ethnic Russians in the Donbas are supposed to be pro-Banderite loyalists of the Kiev regime. For the typical American who can't find America on the map, this is equivalent to Jews being loyal to Nazi Germans. The Bandera worshipers who are in charge in Kiev openly call for the ethnic cleansing of these ethnic Russians, who did not settle there due to some invasion, they were there before the concept of Ukraine came into existence and its Bolshevik created borders in particular, and the disbursement of their land to the paramilitary Banderite units fighting the war of suppression in the Donbas.

The western media refuses to cover the routine shelling of villages, towns and cities by the regime troops and instead repeats the Kiev regime line that these daily barrages with artillery and MLRS rockets are all rebel (or GRU take your pick) false flag operations. No other conflict in history had a full time 24/7 false flag operation. Every rebel group in history has depended on local civilians for support. Yet the scumbag western media would have you believe the brain dead lies of the Kiev regime.

[Keith_McClary]

Also, I don't see the USA and its media mouthpieces complaining about jihadi volunteers fighting Assad's government in Syria.

Not to mention foreign helping out with the cleansing and colonisation of Palestine.

[Sixstrings]

"We're going to give them half a year to show the country has somehow changed, that even if it's hard, there's light ahead,"

You know, that's actually not asking for a whole lot and not unreasonable.

I think that's what most Ukrainians are expecting out of all this, for things to at least "somehow changed" and get a little better and some "light ahead."

Where's the outrage about this?

You could go to a Ted Nugent right winger gun show here in the states and here crazier talk than that.

Ukraine has been in the process of revolution and yes they'll keep having color revolutions until the people finally get some change.

That's not going to happen though, Poroshenko has a handle on it, no thanks to us or the Euros they sure haven't got much help despite our talk. There won't be more color revolutions. Poroshenko will bring enough change. Ukraine needs to stick to the democratic process -- if they want to get tough on Russia in the east, then they've got their right wingers in parliament to push Poroshenko on it.

If Putin makes peace, then it's peace, they have to accept it and there won't be another color revolution anyway unless Ukraine ever returns to another dictator president that changes the constitution again and loses support of the people.

That's what happened with Yanu, nobody supported him, and he had to take off in his helicopter to Russia where he is now a Russian citizen.

(My prediction: there may be some right sector miltia rebellion down the road, and Poroshenko will squash it, and it'll be different than Yanu because he'll have the support of the people. Even in the USA, Washington had to put the Whiskey Rebellion down after the revolution. This is just how it goes with revolutions and Poroshenko will face a similar test, with guerillas that don't want to put the guns down.)

[Withnail]

"We're going to give them half a year to show the country has somehow changed, that even if it's hard, there's light ahead,"

You know, that's actually not asking for a whole lot and not unreasonable.

No country that has armed private militias running around is ever going to be anything other than a failed state.

So it's guaranteed that nothing is going to improve in 6 months.

[dissident]

"We're going to give them half a year to show the country has somehow changed, that even if it's hard, there's light ahead,"

You know, that's actually not asking for a whole lot and not unreasonable.

No country that has armed private militias running around is ever going to be anything other than a failed state.

So it's guaranteed that nothing is going to improve in 6 months.

It was nauseatingly funny hearing Obama and assorted other NATO politicians go on about the Ukrainian constitution a few months back. All of these militias are a total violation of Ukrainian law. The kangaroo Rada is also in total violation of Ukrainian law. The current elections organized by this illegal coup government are themselves illegal. No amount of recognition from NATO can make them legitimate.

Right now, there is a regime of terror in a large swath of the south-east outside of the rebel controlled territory. Living conditions are getting steadily worse there and in Kiev as well. In spite of all the sanctions on Russia, NATO has not put its money where its mouth is and provided support for Ukraine. It is basically bankrupt. Support for the new regime is not so high that the regime is assured to last. As the economy degrades I expect to see the south-east cleave off. You can't keep the people fed with nationalist hate spew.

[Donetsk]

Vitaliy Feshchenko, one of thousands of Ukrainian volunteers fighting pro-Russian rebels, has this message for government leaders back in the capital Kiev: his battle-hardened men might come for them next.

It might be hard to imagine how Ukraine, nearly bankrupt and being steadily dismembered by Russian troops and heavily armed pro-Russian separatists, could get more chaotic. Angry veterans heading to Kiev would accomplish that.

"We're going to give them half a year to show the country has somehow changed, that even if it's hard, there's light ahead," Yuriy Bereza, Dnipro-1's popular commander, told AFP.

Asked what would happen should that deadline pass, another paramilitary member at headquarters, a tall man in civilian clothing with a pistol strapped to his side, didn't hesitate.

"A coup," he said.

Dnipro-1's headquarters are on the ground floor of the Dnipropetrovsk administration building. Upstairs sits the regional governor, Igor Kolomoisky.

The arrangement is no accident: Kolomoisky, one of Ukraine's most controversial billionaires, funds the paramilitary, which returns the favour in these troubled times by boosting the banking and industrial tycoon's personal security and political clout.

All the signs are of a flourishing military enterprise.

Questions over the far right leanings of the volunteer groups and allegations of involvement in the murder of civilians cast a long shadow.

One of the most controversial is the Azov Battalion, which uses the Wolfsangel insignia -- an ancient design that was resurrected in Hitler's Germany. The Azov has been linked to Oleg Lyashko, a politician accused of neo-Nazi sympathies.

Right Sector, an ultra-nationalist party, also has its own battalion of several hundred men on the frontlines, even if the government refuses to register or pay them.

The interior ministry, which oversees the paramilitaries, was quoted saying in September that there are now 34 such groupings and Zgurets estimates that the country's total of combat ready troops now tops 50,000 men.

Although the army retains control over heavy weaponry, the motivated -- and increasingly well equipped and skilled -- volunteer groups remain crucial.

Amid Ukraine's increasingly feverish patriotism, Putin is seen as bordering on the diabolical.

But among the volunteer battalions there is almost equal hatred for the corrupt bureaucrats running their country and the military top brass responsible for bloody fiascos like the massacre of troops retreating from Ilovaisk in August.

Which is why if the government doesn't act quickly on those promises to rebuild Ukraine, today's battle might move to the capital, where the revolution began.

"The people who were in the war won't accept any sliding back," Oliynyk says.

Slutskovska's eyes shone with anger in Right Sector's dingy Dnipropetrosk office, when asked how she would react to failure of reforms.

"We'll just go straight there with weapons," she said. "There'll be a coup."

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Heil Kolomoisky! Sieg Heil! The Nazis are going to seize full control of Western Ukraine. They are following the same script as pre-1933 Germany. Outlaw the left prior to the elections. Then, following the elections, stop pretending and just take total power.

The West will find it hard to hide a full-fledged Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine.

Interesting. What actions or statements of those people led you to identify them as Nazies, if you don't mind me asking. Are you aware that Kolomoisky is the president of the Jewish community in Ukraine? Are you aware that current president of Ukraine and prime minister have Jewish origins?

[Donetsk]

Love that propaganda about Russian troops fighting on "Ukrainian" soil. Once a media piece has this pathetic parroting of Kiev regime lies, it loses its credibility.

It is a fact that there are four to five thousand volunteers from Russia fighting against regime forces. Not one single cell phone video or photograph has been produced, including by the US with its parade of blurry Digital Globe images (that includes combine harvester images with the claim they are artillery pieces), that shows these alleged Russian troops in Ukraine. This must be the best covert conventional military operation in all time. It puts mythical Japanese ninjas to shame. Also, I don't see the USA and its media mouthpieces complaining about jihadi volunteers fighting Assad's government in Syria. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

The western media refuses to accurately cover this conflict. Somehow 8 million ethnic Russians in the Donbas are supposed to be pro-Banderite loyalists of the Kiev regime. For the typical American who can't find America on the map, this is equivalent to Jews being loyal to Nazi Germans. The Bandera worshipers who are in charge in Kiev openly call for the ethnic cleansing of these ethnic Russians, who did not settle there due to some invasion, they were there before the concept of Ukraine came into existence and its Bolshevik created borders in particular, and the disbursement of their land to the paramilitary Banderite units fighting the war of suppression in the Donbas.

The western media refuses to cover the routine shelling of villages, towns and cities by the regime troops and instead repeats the Kiev regime line that these daily barrages with artillery and MLRS rockets are all rebel (or GRU take your pick) false flag operations. No other conflict in history had a full time 24/7 false flag operation. Every rebel group in history has depended on local civilians for support. Yet the scumbag western media would have you believe the brain dead lies of the Kiev regime.

Gosh you must be the biggest lier I've ever met on any forum. Tell me this, Dissy, how Donbas can have 8 mln ethnic Russians right now, if it never had that much of a population at any point of history? What's even more interesting, is how can you expect people believe your other lies if you lie even about things that can be easily checked by anybody with an internet access?