[dissident]

@ AgentR11

Actually, Russia has a lot of interest in Syria since ISIS is openly planning to expand north all the way to the Caucuses and over most of the Central Asian 'stans. There has been Wahabbi insurgency in these regions since the 1990s. ISIS is not a threat to the USA and NATO. It is a threat to Russia.

[AgentR11]

I don't know how many times Russia has to state in plain language they are bombing all groups there that are on their terrorist list. ISIS is just one of those groups. They are not specifically focused on ISIS. And considering the groups employ out of the same batch of mercenaries, I agree with the Russian objectives and plan of attack in Syria.

Russia is being painfully honest. They intend to kill them all.

[davep]

I don't know how many times Russia has to state in plain language they are bombing all groups there that are on their terrorist list. ISIS is just one of those groups. They are not specifically focused on ISIS. And considering the groups employ out of the same batch of mercenaries, I agree with the Russian objectives and plan of attack in Syria.

Russia is being painfully honest. They intend to kill them all.

Quite. They never said they'd just stick to ISIS. It's NATO disinformation at work as ever.

[dissident]

Turkey redeploys forces for an invasion of Syria

Well, it looks like Erdo-turd is escalating the situation by planning to invade northern Syria to prop up his assets there.

[Cog]

Turkey redeploys forces for an invasion of Syria

Well, it looks like Erdo-turd is escalating the situation by planning to invade northern Syria to prop up his assets there.

Perhaps you could cite a source that is in English. Unless that is pretty much all you have.

[AgentR11]

There's no way an American source would report Turkish tanks on the Syria/Turkish border. For first reason, there's nothing wrong with Turkey having their tanks on their border. And its speculation past that point.

But the tanks are there.

[Cog]

There's no way an American source would report Turkish tanks on the Syria/Turkish border. For first reason, there's nothing wrong with Turkey having their tanks on their border. And its speculation past that point.

But the tanks are there.

Are you standing on the border right now?

[AgentR11]

I didn't know I needed to be.
They are there. Its not a crime for them to be there. They have every right to be there.

[Tanada]

I didn't know I needed to be.
They are there. Its not a crime for them to be there. They have every right to be there.

Hopefully they will stay on the Turkish side of the border thumping their chests and not actually starting a shooting war. My understanding is Turkey has a number of USA design tanks in their Army, Russia would love to shoot those up and see just what it takes to really combat kill them.

[AgentR11]

And.. just on queue
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34957830

This is what the tanks are for.
3bn Euro to Turkey to pay for halting the refugee flow plus roadmap to accession and fast track on visa free regime.
Article says it more nicer like though.

[Cog]

I believe the Turkish Army fields the Leopard 2 tank. They also have a substantial number of domestically produced tanks as well as some older US tanks.

[AgentR11]

The pictures I saw looked like older stuff they had, appropriate for border control. If they were going to deploy their modern goodies, I'd suspect they'll go further East and be used against the Kurds who may have acquired a good number of TOWs by now; would also place them at the far side or fully outside of the S400's bubble so they can have air support.

[ROCKMAN]

"They are there. Its not a crime for them to be there. They have every right to be there." All true. But depending upon the rules of engagement the Russians may be under that may not prevent save them from attack. The US and other nations have used their ROE's in making cross border arracks in the past. Essentially Putin's call at this point...just as it was in Crimea.

[Cog]

Ukraine and Crimea were not NATO members. So while it's Putin's call in a way, there are more serious repercussions attacking Turkey.

[Keith_McClary]

Ukraine and Crimea were not NATO members. So while it's Putin's call in a way, there are more serious repercussions attacking Turkey.

???
We are talking about Turkish tanks massing on the Syrian border.

[Cog]

Ukraine and Crimea were not NATO members. So while it's Putin's call in a way, there are more serious repercussions attacking Turkey.

???
We are talking about Turkish tanks massing on the Syrian border.

Nothing wrong with massing your tanks on your side of the border. Gives Putin something to think about. If Putin didn't want the drama, he should have kept his forces back in Russia.

[Cid_Yama]

Current Turkish Armored Forces

Main Battle Tanks

Leopard 1 : 397 (all variants)
1T 'Volkan' : 170
A3 : 227

Leopard 2 : 354 (all variants)
A4 : 354

M60 Patton : 1,646 (all variants)
A1 : 104
A3 : 753
A3 TTS : 619
M60T 'Sabra' : 170

M48 Patton : 1,377 (all variants)
A5T1 : 619
A5T2 : 758

Altay : 4 (prototypes)

If this was 1960, it might give Putin something to think about. No not even then.

Do you really believe any of the nonsense you spout?

[Cog]

The Leopard 2 is widely considered as one of the best battle tanks in the world. You really need to do your research Cid. Wiki is not a really good source. But better luck next time.

[Cid_Yama]

They have 397 1960's era Leopard 1.

The Leopard (or Leopard 1) is a main battle tank designed and produced in West Germany that first entered service in 1965. Developed in an era when HEAT warheads were thought to make conventional heavy armour of limited value, the Leopard focused on firepower in the form of the German-built version of the British L7 105-mm gun, and improved cross-country performance that was unmatched by other designs of the era.

The Leopard 2 are A4's. Only 354 and they are the original 1979 model, with the vertical faced turret. Not good.

The main body of Turkey's Armor are Pattons. Less than 3,000, and almost half the 1950's M48.

I'm sure Putin is just shaking in his boots. /sarc

Try again moron.

I negotiated the CFE treaty. I know more about armament than you ever will.

[Cog]

Still having those Walter Mitty moments are we?

How many tanks, of any kind, do the Russians have in Syria?

The Russian's grasp, of how tenuous their hold is in Syria, is matched only by your grasp of military matters. Putin has recklessly pursued a path which is going to bite him.