[MorselAleito]

Turkey faces problems with buying oil from international terrorists. Via shooting down the Russian war plane after it bombed ISIS oil storages Turkey has 100% confirmed its ties with ISIS terrorists from which they buy cheap bloody crude. The investor is defending its investments. Sponsor of international terrorism No1 is unmasked! Can't wait to see stupid faces of NATO officials.

[Satori]

Erdogan and his family are up to their eyeballs in this

some estimates put their take at a billion dollars

[shortonoil]

Retrieved Russian pilot says there was no advanced warning as Turkey is claiming:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... opened-fir

The black box in the downed bomber should verify that claim. Is Erdogan attempting to protect his illegal oil enterprise by making such a brazen attack on the Russians?

[Keith_McClary]

The US has suddenly discovered these hundreds of oil trucks.

The US military has released new videos showcasing the anti-ISIS coalition's latest airstrikes against ISIS oil trucks.
The airstrikes, which were conducted on over the weekend in eastern Syria, destroyed 283 oil trucks belonging to the militant organization.

http://www.businessinsider.com/video-is ... es-2015-11

[Outcast_Searcher]

Retrieved Russian pilot says there was no advanced warning as Turkey is claiming:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-2 ... opened-fir

The black box in the downed bomber should verify that claim. Is Erdogan attempting to protect his illegal oil enterprise by making such a brazen attack on the Russians?

The NYT says otherwise, and its source is the US military.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... .html?_r=0

So we have a box score of:

1). The Russians say no warnings.

2). Turkey says 10 warnings.

3). The US Military (quoted by the NYT) says 10 warnings.

The same NYT article also points out there have been LOTS of similar Russian incidents in 2015, including a couple in October IN THE SAME AREA. (And meanwhile Russia acts like all this came out of the blue with no warning, and they're completely innocent in all this. Not even close to being credible).

So who we gonna believe? The always wrong zerohedge and the Russians, or the US military and the NYT?

I'm NOT saying Turkey is all goodness and light, but I am considering the sources we now have.

[radon1]

So who we gonna believe? The always wrong zerohedge and the Russians, or the US military and the NYT?

Sic|||| 2 detected.

As though the reality cares about the narrator.

[Outcast_Searcher]

So who we gonna believe? The always wrong zerohedge and the Russians, or the US military and the NYT?

Sic|||| 2 detected.

As though the reality cares about the narrator.

No, but the adults trying to discern who is likely telling the truth and has the evidence to back it up do care about things like historical behavior and credibility.

I'd have been a lot more comfortable with the US on those scores 30 years ago, but I'm still a lot more comfortable with the US and the NYT than with the Russians and zerohedge on both the historical accuracy and credibility scales. YMMV.

(Sic .... are we now resorting to being some sort of grammar nazi, by chance?)

[radon1]

(Sic .... are we now resorting to being some sort of grammar nazi, by chance?)

Worse. Sic|||| 2 = Sixstrings 2

[Outcast_Searcher]

(Sic .... are we now resorting to being some sort of grammar nazi, by chance?)

Worse. Sic|||| 2 = Sixstrings 2

Oh. I see. If you don't like the message or the facts cited, resort to name calling. VERY mature.

[Satori]

Turkey in 2012: ‘Short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack’

http://www.prisonplanet.com/turkey-in-2


and the Erdogan government is ACTIVELY supporting ISIS by allowing the buying and selling of their stolen oil
this is the MAJOR source of their funding for their terrorist activities
this makes the government of Turkey an ACTIVE supporter of one of the worst terrorist organizations in the world
shouldn't they be listed right along North Korea and Iran as part of the axis of evil ???

[shortonoil]

"Turkey says 10 warnings."

So you are claiming that Turkey sent them 10 warnings in less than 2 minutes; the alleged transit time. That would be a good joke - if this was a laughing matter. It is not, it is the brutal murder of a Russian pilot. Which is a WAR CRIME.

[careinke]

"Turkey says 10 warnings."

So you are claiming that Turkey sent them 10 warnings in less than 2 minutes; the alleged transit time. That would be a good joke - if this was a laughing matter. It is not, it is the brutal murder of a Russian pilot. Which is a WAR CRIME.

It's not a war crime. That's why it is called Sovereign Airspace.

[Outcast_Searcher]

"Turkey says 10 warnings."

So you are claiming that Turkey sent them 10 warnings in less than 2 minutes; the alleged transit time. That would be a good joke - if this was a laughing matter. It is not, it is the brutal murder of a Russian pilot. Which is a WAR CRIME.

Has it ever occurred to you that they would be sending them WARNINGS as the Russian planes were approaching the border?

By the shown flight tracks (by either side) there was a lot more time spent near the border than crossing the border.

But no, let's assume the Russians are 100% right, despite all the evidence, and use the most unreasonable suppositions possible to support their position. Sure.

[Peak_Yeast]

Past experience with all parties involved in this case indicates that they all are habitual liars and murderers - thus we can pretty safely conclude they ALL lie.

Even a child understands that when they lie about even insignificant small things - people will expect they always lie if there is even a grain of salt to gain by doing so.

And the lies from these parties are just endless both big and small.

I have full confidence concerning their ability to adhere to truth for even a few minutes is precisely ZERO.

So any credible evidence should come from a neutral party. - If that exists.

[ROCKMAN]

Just a short observation: it doesn't matter how many warnings; it doesn't matter where ghe Russian jet was; it doesn't matter if thd Turks are helping ISIS sell oil. It might matter to politicians making speeches, or the MSM, or to all the "armchair generals". But when in comes to a shooting war (which technically has already started) all that really matters to the folks directly involved is killing the other guy before he kills you.

A simple question: is Putin going to let the Turks make him look like a belpless little girl in eyes of the Russian people? Is that what most here really expect?

[dissident]

"Turkey says 10 warnings."

So you are claiming that Turkey sent them 10 warnings in less than 2 minutes; the alleged transit time. That would be a good joke - if this was a laughing matter. It is not, it is the brutal murder of a Russian pilot. Which is a WAR CRIME.

It's not a war crime. That's why it is called Sovereign Airspace.

As if the ridiculous Erdo-turd-land claims are valid. Give it a break. According to Erdo-turd's own diplomats at the UN the transit time was 17 seconds. They could not have issued 10 warnings. Also, Erdo-turd-land has a 5 mile self-declared "security zone" inside Syria following the border with Syria. So if it was issuing warnings for "5 minutes" it was doing it because the Russian jet was "violating" Syrian air space.

Erdo-turd's regime can't even get its concocted story straight and NATO is backing it anyway. Nice to see a pack of hyenas looking out for each other. Just don't get too cocky, dipshits.

[dissident]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-sanctions-syri ... 47142.html

Obama's regime has put sanctions on associates of the Syrian government for trading oil with ISIS. You can't make this crap up. This is pure retard theater. Even Erdo-turd-land newspapers identify their own as key middlemen.

[SeaGypsy]

Obama has a ridiculous credibility based on his speaking voice & heroic brown-ness. He is as big a liar as has ever sat in the Whitehouse, but he's 'so cool' .

[AgentR11]

I don't know about cool, but his voice is awesome.

[SeaGypsy]

He's cool coz he's the first brown POTUS, he did inhale, he plays golf not women. But he is either a horrible liar or a total puppet who cares not one wit for the truth.