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THE US Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) Thread (merged)

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Re: The Senate just voted to quit filling the SPR

Unread postby green_achers » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:05:22

This is the one issue he's been pretty consistently right about IMO. For the wrong reasons, I'm sure...
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Revi » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:14:49

We're really in trouble now. When will oil hit $75 a barrel again? What is the matter with these people? Who voted them in to office? I hope that some congresspeople have more sense than the senators. I know Roscoe Bartlett will vote no, anyway.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:14:53

This move by Congress, like most lately, is framed as if the runup in oil prices is a temporary phenomenon. I am guessing $75/bbl is considered the "just price" for oil by Congress (and the American public?), and the price above and beyond that is just due to those greedy speculators :roll:
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Re: SPR Cutoff

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:18:43

If we have an oil crisis these folks will look like kooks.

Wait are we in an oil crisis? [smilie=eusa_shifty.gif]
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby baha » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:27:10

Doesn't the president have sole control over the SPR? Is there anyway congress can force him to stop filling?

This is the one issue where Bush is right to keep filling. I'm sure he has inside info that says peak oil is here and that is why he insists on continuing.

Of course the consumer will never see any of this oil. It will be used by the military when TSHTF. You know we will have to eventually invade Venezuella and the rest of the middle east. If they are busy waging war maybe they'll leave me alone!!!
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:29:34

baha wrote:Doesn't the president have sole control over the SPR? Is there anyway congress can force him to stop filling?


Check out the US Constitution. Congress writes the laws.

The Senate just voted to make it crime to put oil in the SPR if crude costs more then $75/barrel. Pelosi and the House support the bill.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:36:41

While congress is just pandering to our [s]citizens[/s] consumers, as Shanny elegantly put it, their new law to suspend SPR filling until oil drops below $75/barrel probably doesn't hurt anything.

The SPR is 96% full now.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:36:58

This is good enough to be classified as black comedy. Seriously, I'm laughing so hard right now.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 May 2008, 14:56:48

"The action, supported by the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, comes as high fuel costs have contributed to the nation's economic woes and become a hot issue on the campaign trail. It could be the only legislation that Congress passes this year in response to public angst at the fuel pump because of the parties' differences over energy issues. ---CNN

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Its pretty funny and a bit sad too.... 8)

So this bill is the Congress's response to peak oil and the high oil prices.

This is their energy plan devised to deal with high energy prices...this is what we get from the US Congress as oil goes higher and higher.

No electric train systems, no nukes, no offshore drilling, no Manhattan project for energy, no crash programs......this is the new policy.

This is it.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby mefistofeles » Tue 13 May 2008, 15:16:54

This sounds like the third film in the dumb and dumber series. Dumb and Even Dumber US Energy policy.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby kpeavey » Tue 13 May 2008, 15:20:42

Being an election year, I see this as trolling for votes, nothing more. Put a band aid on the gushing wound, get back to important issues.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 13 May 2008, 15:25:30

Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss! :)
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Mechler » Tue 13 May 2008, 18:17:41

frankthetank wrote:Last week refineries were only running at 85%... What is this going to help with gasoline? Maybe congress should pass a law mandating refineries operate at a loss! :)


At least one already is...

The sustained climb of crude prices spelled bad news for refiners; Western Refining (nyse: WNR ) reported a $40.4 million loss...


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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 13 May 2008, 18:40:32

That would be the US doing a China.

You know what happens then - a case of the old "emergency maintenance", when problems managers were happy to overlook before, are brought out into the light of day. Aw, shucks, will ya look at that?
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 13 May 2008, 19:02:51

1. Stop refilling the SPRs (which are supposed to cover emergencies and security) -until oil is back at $75.
2. Disperse it to the public, to alleviate terrible gas prices, until there is no more for emergencies or security.

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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:06:11

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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:24:15

US House of Representatives also votes yes on bill to stop filling the SPR with oil

New law passed suspending oil storage in SPR until oil drops to $75/barrel

Thats two votes in one day and the law is passed.

The Congress can sure move fast when its doing something urgent like pandering by outlawing putting oil in the SPR.
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby joeltrout » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:29:39

I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it.

sorry no link :(

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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 13 May 2008, 20:56:04

joeltrout wrote:I saw on marketwatch.com that Bush does not plan to veto it.



Theres no point in vetoing it....the bill passed with veto-proof majorities in both houses.

It will be interesting to see if the economists are right (they say it will have almost no impact on gas prices) or if Nancy Pelosi is right (she says the new law will reduce the price of gas at the pump by 24 cents a gallon).
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Re: Senate vote to suspend SPR refilling

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Tue 13 May 2008, 22:26:48

I can't see how this can have any impact on prices. There has only been a couple of hundred thousand barrels a week added. Almost all of that is royalty in kind. None of the inputs to the SPR are from imports. Haven't been since early 2003. The oil companies pay their royalties for offshore drilling in oil instead of cash. The oil goes to the SPR. Pathetic pandering, really.
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