THE "Telling Others About Peak Oil" Thread pt 2 (merged)

[pstarr]

an those things will go on the wayside like the Model T's have.

Muscle car's, Boomer's last wet dreams, overpriced old junk.

Really. What's the point? You can't even go muddin' in them.

[Maddog78]

I don't discuss peak oil with my friends that are into muscle cars.
No point. They love them. Heck, I still like them, too.
They are buying the cars they wanted when they were kids and can now afford them.
They are not alone. Like I said, check out a Barrett Jackson auction some time.
Still a lot of lust out there for '65-'71 muscle cars.

[pstarr]

Still a lot of lust out there for '65-'71 muscle cars.

Not coincidentally when the Japanese compact invasion began in earnest. In 1966 I convinced my dad to buy a Mercury Comet Caliente (hot!) with a small bore 8 cylinder engine (289cu). In the early 1970's my tastes changed (I became a conscious human ) and I got my first car--a piece of sh#t Opel Kadet. Never looked back. The classy girls (~"snookie") wouldn't be caught dead in them, they were for "greasers," Jersey Shore Guys. (The "Situation" oils himself while gazing on their visage.) Funny thing is Muscle Cars morphed into Muscle Guys in the 1980's. Kinky stuff

[GASMON]

Yank cars - all wind & piss.

Get a REAL muscle car, and learn how to drive it !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlkKO-E ... re=related

Gas

[Nefarious]

Gasmon Baby.....Only in a JEEP!!

It's a JEEP THING!

[GASMON]

Well I have to say it, before someone else does.

The TVR (and many other Brit cars) has a highly modified & tuned Rover V8.

Now this V8 is (next to the Jag XK6 cyl) probably the best engine ever built in the UK. But -----

I'ts an ex-yank Buick design !!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8_engine

Enjoy them while you can. Have you heard the current fiat / mitsubishi 3 cylinder shyte ???!!! Gawd help us - I'd sooner walk.

Gas

[Maddog78]

Ahh, British cars. The thing to drive if you absolutely don't give a shit about resale value.

Trying to sell your 5 yr. old Jag or Range Rover?
That price you have in your mind?
Cut it in half. There we go, it might move now.

[GASMON]

Maddog 78 - Nobody in their right mind (unless they have LOADS of money) buys a new brit (or any other) prestige car - yes, your correct - depreciation is a key factor.

BUT - buy a good used s/hand car, look after it and it may even make you a small profit. TVR's appreciate (no longer made after the new toyboy Russian boy owner f****d up the company. Jag sports cars a good buy these days, though not for everyday use. My next door neighbor has just retired, bought a really nice 10 year old 3 litre Jag saloon for £1200. Fully stamped service book, 80,000 miles on the clock. This was a £30,000 car when new.

In 1982 I bought a 1973 Rover 3.5 litre V8 (yes, the above mentioned engine) for £850. Looked after it - allways garaged, just use it summer weekends. I still have it, never spent too much on it over the years, now worth around £3500 - £4000. Yes, a 1973 BRITISH LEYLAND Rover, complete with lucas (prince of darkness !!) electrics.

Big new cars are a waste of money, buy a small new one or big old 'un.

Like others say, all cars will be redundant sometime soon.

Gas

[z28colt]

I've been reading this board since 2004, though I rarely post. I also agree with the idea of Peak Oil. However, I've also owned a V8 Camaro since 99. Anyway, I'm a bit confused by the bashing of the new muscle cars. Has anyone looked at the mpg ratings? No they are not as good as a focus or a prius, but they are a lot better than the 20 mpg small pickup truck that an earlier poster was bragging about. If you want to bash mpg, I think you need to stick with the full frame SUV's weighing 5k lbs or more.

Besides, haven't we already determined that it takes as much oil to make the car as the car burns in its life?

[graham]

If you think thats funny you should see the responses to my posts on citydata.

[vision-master]

I've been reading this board since 2004, though I rarely post. I also agree with the idea of Peak Oil. However, I've also owned a V8 Camaro since 99. Anyway, I'm a bit confused by the bashing of the new muscle cars. Has anyone looked at the mpg ratings? No they are not as good as a focus or a prius, but they are a lot better than the 20 mpg small pickup truck that an earlier poster was bragging about. If you want to bash mpg, I think you need to stick with the full frame SUV's weighing 5k lbs or more.

Besides, haven't we already determined that it takes as much oil to make the car as the car burns in its life?

heck, my monte carlo ss with a v-6 is just as quick as that toad.

[SpockLives]

Like others say, all cars will be redundant sometime soon.

Gas

Nah. They are just way too convenient under most American driving conditions. Even a small, subcompact EV which can haul 4 adults from here to there around suburbia is a pretty useful device. They might not make Chevelle EVs but that is one of those hard choices peak oil has forced upon us. Want to bet that we'll see more of stuff like this, even on the street though?

The KillaCycle!

[Maddog78]

Maddog 78 - Nobody in their right mind (unless they have LOADS of money) buys a new brit (or any other) prestige car - yes, your correct - depreciation is a key factor.

BUT - buy a good used s/hand car, look after it and it may even make you a small profit. TVR's appreciate (no longer made after the new toyboy Russian boy owner f****d up the company. Jag sports cars a good buy these days, though not for everyday use. My next door neighbor has just retired, bought a really nice 10 year old 3 litre Jag saloon for £1200. Fully stamped service book, 80,000 miles on the clock. This was a £30,000 car when new.

In 1982 I bought a 1973 Rover 3.5 litre V8 (yes, the above mentioned engine) for £850. Looked after it - allways garaged, just use it summer weekends. I still have it, never spent too much on it over the years, now worth around £3500 - £4000. Yes, a 1973 BRITISH LEYLAND Rover, complete with lucas (prince of darkness !!) electrics.

Big new cars are a waste of money, buy a small new one or big old 'un.

Like others say, all cars will be redundant sometime soon.

Gas

Yes, good point.
I don't really want to tinker with old cars at this point in my life but I did follow a strategy to be able to drive a nice car without losing too much on depreciation.
I bought my 911 2 years old in the U.S. and then brokered it in myself to Canada.
Because car prices are higher in Canada, this strategy meant that I have driven the car for 3 years now and probably only have lost 10K in depreciation. Much, much better than if I would have bought a brand new one in Canada.
I would be down about 40-45K if I'd have done that.

[SpockLives]

I bought my 911 2 years old in the U.S. and then brokered it in myself to Canada.
Because car prices are higher in Canada, this strategy meant that I have driven the car for 3 years now and probably only have lost 10K in depreciation. Much, much better than if I would have bought a brand new one in Canada.
I would be down about 40-45K if I'd have done that.

Is it more than a little ironic that we are talking about muscle cars and other ICE powered devices on a peak oil website? Or is it just me?

[Maddog78]

You're new here so you don't know I'm one of the resident cornies that gets lambasted all the time for bringing up car/motorcycle topics.

I work in the oil bidness, I'm going to burn my fair share.

[kristi3232]

Maddog 78 - Nobody in their right mind (unless they have LOADS of money) buys a new brit (or any other) prestige car - yes, your correct - depreciation is a key factor.

BUT - buy a good used s/hand car, look after it and it may even make you a small profit. TVR's appreciate (no longer made after the new toyboy Russian boy owner f****d up the company. Jag sports cars a good buy these days, though not for everyday use. My next door neighbor has just retired, bought a really nice 10 year old 3 litre Jag saloon for £1200. Fully stamped service book, 80,000 miles on the clock. This was a £30,000 car when new.

In 1982 I bought a 1973 Rover 3.5 litre V8 (yes, the above mentioned engine) for £850. Looked after it - allways garaged, just use it summer weekends. I still have it, never spent too much on it over the years, now worth around £3500 - £4000. Yes, a 1973 BRITISH LEYLAND Rover, complete with lucas (prince of darkness !!) electrics.

Big new cars are a waste of money, buy a small new one or big old 'un.

Like others say, all cars will be redundant sometime soon.

Gas

Thats quite true