THE "Telling Others About Peak Oil" Thread pt 2 (merged)

[VMarcHart]

Ireland cruelly remained a grain exporter while 5 million starved.

The Irish are very generous people.

Telling suburbans they need to be ready to walk across town for groceries and grow food in their back yard? Asking too much, in other words.

Not really. It depends on who's asking. If Oprah, Simon Cowell and other suburban icons were doing the asking, there is a chance the message will get across.[/quote]

[cestlavie]

Telling suburbans they need to be ready to walk across town for groceries and grow food in their back yard? That's like trying to convince an Irish Catholic in 1840 that he needs to A) Stop screwing and B) Grow something in addition to potatoes on his 1/4 acre plot. Asking too much, in other words...

No need to sidetrack into the details of the Great Famine, I know how Ireland cruelly remained a grain exporter while 5 million starved. That parallel well may hold this time, too.

A top down approach may be a better idea. It seems obvious to me that having mitigation plans ready on a municipal scale is more effective than spending hours arguing with the ignorant about water cars and ANWR.

My friend told my suburban neighbors about peak oil last year. And this year the neighbor husband has been spraying roundup so he can have more lawn area for his kids to play in. He was even spraying roundup within 20 feet of our garden. So our small garden is no longer an organic garden and we dare not feed it to our toddler. He doesnt understand these things or does not care except for his concerns, getting the weeds, overgrowth out of there and getting the lawn in.

So I take the hint from the universe. Its pointless to try to survive here, you cant survive surrounded by people who have no idea of survival and dont even care about it. The mom put in a (6x6) garden last year mostly because it felt good (therapeutic) digging in the soil. But their veggies including tomatoes were not picked, the garden became overgrown with weeds and grass this spring and they used it as a place to put their table. So I guess you could say I've had enough of suburban living and modern society. We'll have to find someplace to live. But I've got skills and knowledge so can figure it all out. If the economy crashes so be it. Hopefully can cash out on the beautiful suburban prime property... closeness to schools, proximity to highway and shopping, new construction with deck he he... I guess I've realized the peak oil message cant get out if the values are not in the right place...

[Toyota]

why worry so much!

In europe, we live like we always did, so what is the danger


But maybe we need to conserve some more

[hironegro]

What's the point? If people living in the American South West can’t understand that they’re in a multi-decade drought and all the consequences that are going to accompany it. How could they even fathom something like peak oil production and ensuing consequences?

[droper]

I tell people I think will listen , but voicing problems without solutions is like math class.

[Pretorian]

Wouldn't a person with "maturity" rather know the hard truth rather then sweet lies.

The hard truth is that that person could have a normal life and die of 1000 other reasons, and now he will be paranoic till the very end. Or perhaps he/she will run into a dangerous travel and end up dying from some exotic parasite in his/her brain. either way you are changing their life and u dont know which way it will lead.
Iam expecting tshtf since i was 11 or so, after I read an article about how everything is great with oil exploration ( it was a 12 yo magazine from 1976) Let everyone follow his destiny, or you'll angry the Gods

[Homesteader]

Perhaps it was that person's "destiny" to find out that information and face the challenge of dealing with the information. It might be the catalyst that caused that person to have an exemplary life and go well beyond what would have otherwise been the case.

Don't be scared of information, be aware of the meaning you attach to it.

[Mesuge]

Nothing they can do anyway. They can't pull crude out their ass. To 'try' and do anything substantive would cause a financial and population backlash of unimaginable proportions.

I'm just getting frustrated with this kind of talk, that masses can't be in the loop, officials and presidents can't openly call PO, etc...

That's ballooney, in worst case panic you get the following: stock exchange meltdown, recession, few wars and insurgencies here and there, strikes and protests..

Well, in history rear view mirror that's not too bad, you have to get peoples' ATTENTION about the CRISES and inspire/press self-determination to individual change and you certainly don't achieve that with that same wishy washy Obama-McSame&Insane-G8 like posturing kind of crap..

Sooner or later some of the world's bigger/respected players will do it anyway, Sweden and France has done it already on half pedal..

My bets are on Japan and other techno-big asians (Singapore) and such..

[KevO]

one to show the rest of the family and new peak oil apprentices

Most have read it before, a lot though have not

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult, apocalypse bible prophecy sect, or conspiracy theory society. Rather, it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely-respected geologists, physicists, bankers, and investors in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global "Peak Oil."

the whole kaboodle at
Life After The Oil Crash


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[?!]

Tell others?! No way, maybe a small number or awakened intelligent souls to network with but there is no way everyone is going to believe you or willing to network. Because of petro-agricluture the world is overpopulsted anyway. It's best to let them taper off comfortable deaths in their reverie or savagely fight over the last bits of food/resource. Let the strongwilled strongminded come together. As it gets worse mass awakening would result in shock and denial and possibly a socialist agenda with work camps(basically slavery) run by druglords if the government is disintegrated by then

[Maddog78]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145431

Around here I was considered a cornie but I never disputed the theory of peak oil.
I just disagreed with the timeline and the possibility of some form of mitigation like increased use of n. gas.
Anyway, never mind that, some of you might find this thread entertaining.
I joined this board awhile back cause my brother in law was thinking of getting a new Camaro.
I look in every now and again because they are an "interesting" lot.
I probably shouldn't have even started but once I did the thread became quite "interesting"




An earlier one where the people who drive 400 hp cars are going to "protest" the gas prices.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138451

[ColossalContrarian]

The education will be difficult because a lot of the muscle car mass believes we can bomb the world to cheap prices in gas. The truth is that regardless of ones beliefs you can drive around your local area and see all the muscle cars and trucks for sale. Just like in 2008 people are moving away from gas guzzlers. I live in Denver and we are generally on the low end of the US national average but there are many trucks with 4Sale signs on them.

Now that I've posted a comment I'll look through the link you posted and see how delusional the folks on the other board are, or how delusional I am.

I don't think a protest will do jack...

[ColossalContrarian]

Wow Maddog78, you really did try to edjumicate those people and they just danced around your posts and kept asking "why do prices go up?" This is really sad, it means a lot of people are in for a huge slap in the face!

I almost feel like joining the forum too but I don't think I could get through to them and I'd probably just end up getting frustrated.

[Maddog78]

No, I don't think there is any hope educating people on that board.
As you say it was like they were completely ignoring what I said and just kept going back to the same old thing.


I suspect a few of those people could barely afford those cars in the first place and now are really starting to feel the pain.

[Nefarious]

I love the comment where the guy said he kept it under 2 grand to try and save fuel lasted about 5 min and said screw it LMAO

I have a jeep and I don't discuss the oil issue on 4x4 forums with them. I already know they just don't get it.

[Maddog78]

I was driving my car hard today... saw the gas prices... and started driving completely different - not going above 2000 rpm.... for about 5 mins.. then i said screw it...

Well at least he tried.

[Pretorian]

The education will be difficult because a lot of the muscle car mass believes we can bomb the world to cheap prices in gas.

Yes, we can do that. That is a fact sir. Easy-peasy.

[Maddog78]

Unfortunately, C.C. is correct. Some of them do think that.

Did you catch this quote?

Bin Laden dies and gas goes cheaper? Who else can we knock off to bring it to under .80 cents a litre? I think .80/L is fair?

[Nefarious]

Unfortunately it's not just the muscle car masses, the 4x4 owners , it's pretty much just the masses in general. There will be no change.We aren't hitting the brakes,we're shifting gears with the pedal to the floor.

[evilgenius]

The education will be difficult because a lot of the muscle car mass believes we can bomb the world to cheap prices in gas. The truth is that regardless of ones beliefs you can drive around your local area and see all the muscle cars and trucks for sale. Just like in 2008 people are moving away from gas guzzlers. I live in Denver and we are generally on the low end of the US national average but there are many trucks with 4Sale signs on them.

Now that I've posted a comment I'll look through the link you posted and see how delusional the folks on the other board are, or how delusional I am.

I don't think a protest will do jack...

Wow, that's cool, I'm in Denver too. I can vouch for the really cheap prices seen around here in '08 for muscle cars and trucks. Many had for sales signs on them for prices way below what the blue book said.