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How are you KillJoy? I think I can beat you. I learned of Peak Oil (wasn't called that, though) in 1978 in a course called "Impact of Technology on Society."
Interfector wrote:I mean, big change needs to happen to the way we live right now. We've probably already shot our chance to avert a catastrophe but that doesn't mean we can't start to make some of the hard choices and sacrifices that need to be made before the inevitable crunch.
What would be your suggestions to get the message out there?
Jack wrote:Header_Rack is right.
People don't want to hear it. They will not be grateful; rather, they will resent the information.
And if you've made preparations, they may well remember you all too well.
killJOY wrote:I've gone through three phases upon relearning about peak oil: First, I thought the truth was so urgent and obvious that once word got out rapid changes could be made with an alert public. This phase lasted about five minutes. Second, I thought that once the crap started hitting the fan--once oil production went flat and oil prices reached a certain level--then people would do an about-face and initiate a crash program to adapt to post-peak life. I've even given up this view. Third, I now believe that the more peak oil predictions come true, the more peak oil explanations will be resisted. What I mean to say is, the die has been cast: even when the peakers are right, they will be denied. And the more we're right, the less we'll be believed.
It's the same with the subjects of racial differences and the hazards of race mixing.
Keep it up, Interfector. It might be a way. For example, if Simon Cowell turns his declining American Idol into a PO reality show...Interfector wrote:What would be your suggestions to get the message out there?
JPL wrote:With deference to the above posters (grin) you 'can' get the message across but you need to it with actions rather than words.
A couple of years ago I started a campaign to get my friends growing organic veg and the main way I had a break-through was by unloading surplus stuff onto them rather than - as I used to mutter - 'giving it to the damn chickens'.
I had a rather 'fun' breakthrough moment when a couple of my city-based pals went all quivvery-lipped one summer when I went windmilling through the veg plot throwing 'expensive' stuff like bulb fennel, organic tomatoes & corinder behind me in great bunches and muttering that they could take what they wanted, too damn much of the stuff...
Life is not always fair & equitable but it doesn't mean that we can't make the best of what we have as individuals. The best way to liberate a slave is not to take off his or her chains, but to take off your own first - and then wait for the others to do the same.
My efforts are going toward trying to teach people some things about how to cope. That's what they seem to want today. How do I stop the pain I feel RIGHT NOW?
edit: Like chess pawns, they can only move one square at a time. Even a two-square "en passant" requires rare circumstance.
Homesteader wrote:So the happy ending is your quivvery-lipped city pals started an organic farmers market which led magically to a relocalize/powerdown movement? I'm not getting the connection between your giving away vegetables and their "come to Jesus" peak oil moment.
JPL wrote:Homesteader wrote:So the happy ending is your quivvery-lipped city pals started an organic farmers market which led magically to a relocalize/powerdown movement? I'm not getting the connection between your giving away vegetables and their "come to Jesus" peak oil moment.
As it happens, these two did have a sizeable garden which was largely lawn & shrubs. They went away, read some books, dug most of it over, and created an organic plot which I have helped them with ever since. They are now also PO aware and looking at ways of reducing their exposure to the future in many ways.
Of the three other couples we socialise with regularly, one is VERY PO aware & panicking but not gardening, one is in denial but also growing their own food, the final one is not panicking but has put in a home-power system & has bought horses.
I'm not bragging, I'm just saying it can be done. My friends are all ordinary Joes (but also very genuine people).
Ardalla wrote:The last few weeks I have seen increased discusion of energy issues at work. Beyond the usual sell your mcmansion and 3 suvs, I don't have anything constructive to say. I tell them it's over ... the party's over; just sit back, watch and react the best you can. They don't believe me of course. One guy is planning on getting a kit to run his car on water. I tell him it won't work. He says he knows people that have it and it will work. Go for it then. He's also spending $5000 for a dog fence in his yard and $4000 for granite countertops in his new house that already has perfectly fine, brand new countertops. He'll just throw the old ones away.
This last Friday I tried to put some thoughts on paper regarding a 5 year plan that might put us on the road to sustainability with declining oil production. I came up with 6 essential items before I realized that not one had a bloody chance in hell of happening.
We're not going to reduce world population. We're not going to restrict vehicle usage for passenger cars getting less than 50mpg. We're not going to move people out of large cities and into small towns that can be supported mostly by the surrounding agricultural region. We're not going to start moving away from globalism, an inefficient transportation system and rampant consumerism until the horse is dead and we can't flog it back to life.
Just today, Obama headline says he's going to come down hard on oil speculators. The guy's clueless. I'm surprised Simmons hasn't changed his message to find yourself a strong storm shelter. He's still out there fighting. Gotta hand it to him. He's a plugger.
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