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Unread postby Expatriot » Wed 28 Jul 2010, 14:09:59

Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz: Hmmm. What have we here?
Is it the start of a FF op? Start wacking ships in the SOH, thereby forcing the good guys to do something? Or is it a big nothing burger?

The official explanation - a tremor caused it, seems a bit farcical. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100728/wl_ ... xplosion_1
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby Sixstrings » Wed 28 Jul 2010, 14:14:52

Expatriot wrote:Hmmm. What have we here? Is it the start of a FF op? ...

Just another mysterious incident that happens to involve oil, they happen every day now so really nothing to see here let's just move along.
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby jbrovont » Thu 29 Jul 2010, 19:28:40

I'm at a loss here - how does an earthquake cause an explosion on a ship?
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby Newfie » Thu 29 Jul 2010, 21:32:47

It does not. We have been discussion this on another forum. Oman is spreading it on thick: earthquake, freak wave, docking incident, collision....all bull.

The shipping company appears to be standing by their claim that it was an explosion.

Here is a picture. Dang, can't get upload to work. Look at the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10803239

Look at it. No sharp edges or scrape marks so it was not hitting anything that did this.

It was NOT a wave, it is too localized for that and, well that is just stupid. This ship is 333 meters long, that's like 1,200 feet.

It MAY have been an old mine. More likely it was an attack similar to the one the USS Cole. But this ship is MUCH bigger and has double hulls.
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Thu 29 Jul 2010, 22:18:40

Looks like it drifted into something while at anchor crushing the hull at a very low speed. Most damage is just above the waterline.
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby Expatriot » Fri 30 Jul 2010, 07:46:34

IDK - tough to think it was an attack. If so, it was rank amateur at best.

If you ever wanted to put 50 bucks on the spot price of CL real quick, sink two VLCCs in the SOH.
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 30 Jul 2010, 17:59:02

How do you get to be an experienced suicide bomber?

Just a thought.

My guess is that it was a surface boat. They had enough explosive but did not get close enough to the M Star. This ship is HUGE. They probably over estimated how close they were and pulled the trigger too far out. Or, if the ship was moving, they may have been disrupted by the bow wave which can tend to push you off. Several sailors have been saved from death by the bow wave of the larger boat pushing their sailboat out of the way.

My other thought is this ship is probably much more strongly built than the USS Cole and it has two hulls. The ship was full of oil so it was "strengthened" by that in the sense that it was filled with a non-compressible fluid. The Cole was, by comparison, empty. The owners are now saying that the outer hull was breached, but not in a major way.

Differences in length are deceiving as it is a power relationship. For a true idea of the difference in size look at the displacements.

USS Cole = 9,000 tons
M Star = 160,000 tons

So the M. Star is nearly 18 times the displacement of the Cole. That does not mean the side plating will be 18 times thicker, but it will be more than twice the thickness of the Coles, probably 4 times the thickness.

USS Cole
Class and type: Arleigh Burke class destroyer
Displacement: Light: approx. 6,800 long tons (6,900 t)
Full: approx. 8,900 long tons (9,000 t)

Length: 505 ft (154 m)
Beam: 66 ft (20 m)
Draft: 31 ft (9.4 m)

M. Star
Gross tonnage 160,292 tons
LOA : 333.00 m
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Wed 04 Aug 2010, 02:29:17

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j-OlTSSOTP5QGnoHpHpQTkmbwwbw

WASHINGTON — Militant jihadists claimed Tuesday that a suicide bomber blew himself up on a Japanese oil tanker in the Strait of Hormuz last week, the US monitoring group SITE said.



http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE67301020100804

"Last Wednesday, after midnight, the martyrdom-seeking hero Ayyub al-Taishan ... blew himself up in the Japanese tanker M.Star in the Strait of Hormuz between the United Arab Emirates and Oman," the Brigades of Abdullah Azzam group said in a statement posted on an Islamist website used by militants.

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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 17 Aug 2010, 18:01:30

News from today, here is the most comprehensive story. Bottom line: seems to be a confirmed terrorist event. Iran is doing more saber rattling.

Small Boat Spotted Before Japanese Oil Tanker Blast
Tuesday, 17 August 2010 10:41
Written by KUNA

A small boat was spotted on the radar of a Japanese oil tanker shortly before it sustained damage to its right-side stern in the Strait of Hormuz last month, Japan's public broadcaster NHK said Tuesday.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/2010081770 ... blast.html

'Iran will block Hormuz if attacked'
Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:8PM

Top Iranian military official Brig. Gen. Ali Shademani
A senior Iranian military official says Iran will take full control of the Strait of Hormuz should Washington opt to launch aggression against Iran.

"The country's armed forces which are under the (Islamic Revolution) Leader's command are in the highest state of preparedness." head of the Operations Department of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Brigadier General Ali Shademani was quoted by Mehr News Agency as saying on Tuesday.

"Three measures are in store to counter any potential aggression against the country", he said.

"The first action would be to take full control of the Strait of Hormuz whereby we wouldn't allow any move by anybody", the top military official underlined.

He said the enemy 'will be brought to its knees' as soon as it makes a move.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/139100.html
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Re: Explosion on JP VLCC in Hormuz

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 17 Aug 2010, 18:30:58

Newfie wrote:He said the enemy 'will be brought to its knees' as soon as it makes a move.




... like a 'line of death', so to speak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Si ... dent_(1981)
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Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby dorlomin » Mon 05 Dec 2011, 09:06:11

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DOHA, Qatar (AP) -- The oil minister of the United Arab Emirates says a new crude oil pipeline that will bypass the strategically sensitive Strait of Hormuz is almost finished.

Mohammed bin Dhaen al-Hamli made the comments on Monday. He spoke to reporters on the sidelines of an oil industry meeting in the Qatari capital Doha.

He declined to say when the pipeline would open, though his comments suggest it could become operational soon.

The Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline project aims to ship crude from the UAE's main oil producing region to the port of Fujairah on the country's Gulf of Oman coast.

That would allow some of the OPEC member's oil to avoid the Strait of Hormuz, access to which is shared by Iran and Oman.
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Should stir a few conspiracy theories.
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Re: Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby Revi » Mon 05 Dec 2011, 11:39:04

That will get it out of the grasp of the Iranians, but there are still the Somali pirates!

I think it's a good move. Maybe when it's done the situation in Iran will cool down. Maybe...
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Re: Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby FarQ3 » Mon 05 Dec 2011, 14:10:18

Not so sure Revi, I remember reading s few years back that Iran had tested long range underwater missiles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4871078.stm

This has led me to read more about development of Iran's missile capability and they also have 'reportedly' replicated Russian cruise missiles equivalent to the US tomahawk missile which would be more that capable of targeting oil terminals and pipelines in the UAE. Iran also have had the technology to build ICBM's for at least 20 years. This doesn't mean that they have them, but they may have the means to put untested missiles together in a hurry. They had aquired Russian SSN6 SLBM's and built their own replica version with a range of 3500km. The Iranian version has been tested by Pakistan and demonstrated a high degree of success. Iran may well also have many missiles located in silos capable of hitting targets in Western Europe.

Iran had moved well beyond the old Scud Missile versions of Iraq some 20 odd years ago.

http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief005-26.htm

All this is still not to say that Iran would be much opposition for NATO, however a large percentage of China's oil imports come from Iran. Would a country like China stand idly by and watch 18% of it's oil imports redirected to the USA, I really don't think so. China is a bit unpredictable in that they don't really say much, Chinese diplomacy is quiet negotiation followed by surprise attack if the threat is real.

Look back at how Iraq was sanctioned for many years due to their huge development of WMD's. They were starved, deprived of medical supplies and water purifictaion chemicals. Hundreds of thousands of children died of water bourne diseases while the 'Coalition of the willing' trickled in medical supplies in exchange for very cheap oil. The excuse for this genocide was the WMD's that didn't exist. This is the future that awaits Iran and this is the reason why Iran should try to develop a deterent. Why should any Iranian want this for their children? And the past has now shown that it doesn't matter if the Iranian leadership lays open their country for weapons inspections as Iraq did. The lies will still be told, the lines will still be drawn, the sanctions will still be implemented (unlawfully and against the UN just like before), the missiles will be fired, Iranian water purification plants (read 'chemical weapons plants') will burn, hundreds of thousands of Iranian children will die and Iranian oil will be liberated into the hands of the west ... real cheap! ... After all, Iran will have to pay for their indescretions ... with oil, just like Iraq is still doing!

There are so many good people in the COTW but our leadership is tainted with alternative objectives other than what is best for us. That we choose to believe them unquestioningly is however our own choice.
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Re: Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby beamofthewave » Mon 05 Dec 2011, 16:05:58

I disagree, I think that Russia and China will both become involved and it will be a world war to end all wars.
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Re: Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby dissident » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 13:18:32

Pipelines are impossible to defend and easy to blow up. This thing is not going to remove the Hormuz crisis bottleneck at all. Qatar will be a loser in any serious confrontation with Iran. All of its gas infrastructure is an easy target. Those LNG terminals should make for some spectacular fireworks.
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Re: Pipeline to bypass Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 Dec 2011, 14:17:58

Here's a short piece from Zerohedge about the situation:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-move ... -war-alert

I guess they are really getting nerved up over the whole thing.
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Military maneuvers: Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 12 Dec 2011, 09:45:07

If is true, is going to be interesting
Iranian army to practise closing Strait of Hormuz
Army declines comment on MP’s comment about closure
A member of the Iranian parliament's National Security Committee said on Monday that the military was set to practise its ability to close the Gulf to shipping at the narrow Strait of Hormuz, the most important oil transit channel in the world, but there was no official confirmation.

The legislator, Parviz Sarvari, told the student news agency ISNA: "Soon we will hold a military manoeuvre on how to close the Strait of Hormuz. If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure."

Contacted by Reuters, a spokesman for the Iranian military declined to comment.

Iran's energy minister told Al Jazeera television last month that Tehran could use oil as a political tool in the event of any future conflict over its nuclear programme.

Tension over the programme has increased since the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported on Nov. 8 that Tehran appears to have worked on designing a nuclear bomb and may still be pursuing research to that end. Iran strongly denies this and says it is developing nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

Iran has warned it will respond to any attack by hitting Israel and U.S. interests in the Gulf and analysts say one way to retaliate would be to close the Strait of Hormuz.

About a third of all sea-borne shipped oil passed through the Strait in 2009, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), and U.S. warships patrol the area to ensure safe passage.

Most of the crude exported from Saudi Arabia, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Iraq - together with nearly all the liquefied natural gas from lead exporter Qatar - must slip through a 4-mile (6.4 km) wide shipping channel between Oman and Iran.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/iranian-army-to-practise-closing-strait-of-hormuz-2011-12-12-1.432423

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL6E7NC2B520111212
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Re: Military maneuvers: Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 11:39:15

It's On: Iran Closes Straits Of Hormuz, Oil Explodes
Iran has closed the Straits of Hormuz for military training as was expected yesterday, according to RanSquawk. Oil, and all other commodities, are outtahere.
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And for those curious about more, RanSquawk speculates that the source of the data is a report in the Tehran Times saying that Iran will hold War Games in which it would close the Straits. Unclear if this is what Ran referenced when they said the Straits were already closed.

TEHRAN - MP Parviz Sorouri of the Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Committee has said that Iran plans to practice its ability to close the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world’s most strategically important chokepoints, which accounts for about 30% of the world’s seaborne oil shipments.
“Currently, the Middle East region supplies 70 percent of the world’s energy needs, (most of) which are transported through the Strait of Hormuz. We will hold an exercise to close the Strait of Hormuz in the near future. If the world wants to make the region insecure, we will make the world insecure,” ISNA quoted Sorouri as saying on Tuesday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-iran-closes-straits-hormuz-oil-explodes

It didn´t actually explode that much, but we will see...
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Re: Military maneuvers: Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 11:52:16

News seem legit.
Rumors That Iran Closed The Strait Of Hormuz Had Oil Prices Going Nuts
After threatening to practice drills meant to close the crucial Strait of Hormuz, rumors had Iran shutting the strait down and oil prices went crazy.

ZeroHedge reported real-time analyst Ransquawk confirmed the straight was closed and it was enough to send traders scrambling, but there has been no confirmation of the news and the reports look increasingly unlikely.

The rumors are enough, however, for oil prices to have seen a significant spike beginning just before 10 a.m. EDT.
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After threatening to practice drills meant to close the crucial Strait of Hormuz, rumors had Iran shutting the strait down and oil prices went crazy.

ZeroHedge reported real-time analyst Ransquawk confirmed the straight was closed and it was enough to send traders scrambling, but there has been no confirmation of the news and the reports look increasingly unlikely.

The rumors are enough, however, for oil prices to have seen a significant spike beginning just before 10 a.m. EDT.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-just-closed-the-strait-of-hormuz-and-oil-prices-are-going-nuts-2011-12#ixzz1gQb0diEH
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Re: Military maneuvers: Strait of Hormuz

Unread postby Cog » Tue 13 Dec 2011, 12:01:10

The Straight of Hormuz isn't closed.

Way to spin a rumor into panic.

If I want a real source of info about Iran and geopolitical news, it won't be on this board.
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