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THE Sec/o Treasury Tim Geithner Thread (merged)

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Re: New Treasury Secretary nominee didn't pay his taxes

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 01:58:02

Sixstrings wrote:Supposedly, it's an "honest mistake" because his accountant and / or lawyer advised him he didn't have to pay taxes working while for the IMF.

I don't buy the excuse.


Geitherner is lying. The IMF actually paid its employees extra money OVER AND ABOVE their salary specifically to cover their US taxes. Every IMF employee had to sign a special form to get the extra money, promising to pay their taxes. Geithner is lying when he says he didn't know about the taxes.

Geithner not only didn't pay the taxes....he lied on the form AND he kept the extra money given him specifically to pay the taxes. Nonetheless, Obama is backing this sleazy guy for treasury.
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Re: New Treasury Secretary nominee didn't pay his taxes

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 07:47:45

Sixstrings wrote:Now this surprises me. He is President of the New York Fed. His resume is a veritable Illuminati who's who list -- Council on Foreign Relations, International Monetary Fund, etc. He is an economist. And he didn't pay his federal income tax.


Are you really suprised?

You mention Illuminati, CFR, IMF but are "suprised" to find one of "them" abusing a position of power?

Still dealing with a bit of cognitive dissonance maybe.
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Re: New Treasury Secretary nominee didn't pay his taxes

Unread postby GoghGoner » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 10:34:41

He was probably doing it in the interest of the United States of America -- he is true patriot! In case you didn't know paying less taxes actually results in more tax revenue later -- it's called the Laffer curve. God bless the USA!
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Re: New Treasury Secretary nominee didn't pay his taxes

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 18 Jan 2009, 13:14:23

Formerly, a person who was a tax cheat or who hired undocumented aliens as a nanny or who signed fraudulent documents or otherwise showed themselves to be a fraudster would be disqualified from running the US Treasury Dept. The Senate wouldn't confirm such a person.

Now, thanks to Obama, its perfectly OK for a person who cheats on their taxes (Geithner is lying about not knowing about the taxes --- he signed documents promising to pay in exchange for being given extra money by the IMF specifically for the taxes) to rise to a very high public office, and actually be in charge of the US Treasury.

Now that is a real change from the past. 8)
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THE Sec/o Treasury Tim Geithner Thread (merged)

Unread postby cbxer55 » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 00:30:36

Geithner obfuscated.. Read it for yourself, it is short but sweet. Do we really want him in control of the IRS?????

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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 01:00:14

The dude is a tax cheat.....heaven only knows why Obama wants him in charge of Treasury.

Doesn't Obama know anyone who can run Treasury and is honest too? :roll:
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby seldom_seen » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 01:11:30

It was our man Geithner who drove through the bailout of AIG when just about no one else wanted it, even Paulson at Treasury.

Geithner was probably worried that the AIG execs were going to miss a spa treatment or international golf outing if the bailout didn't come through.
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby cbxer55 » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 01:24:44

Plantagenet wrote:The dude is a tax cheat.....heaven only knows why Obama wants him in charge of Treasury. Doesn't Obama know anyone who can run Treasury and is honest too? :roll:

NO! Hes from chicago. Is there an honest politician there?
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby idiom » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 02:12:32

You can't really have someone honest in there and not collapse the system.

There probably isn't a way through this, but if there is it likely involves a bunch of really large phoney transactions.
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby oxj » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 09:11:04

idiom wrote:...it likely involves a bunch of really large phoney transactions.

Mmm. "What a tangled web we weave..."
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby blukatzen » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:08:54

cbxer55 wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:The dude is a tax cheat.....heaven only knows why Obama wants him in charge of Treasury. Doesn't Obama know anyone who can run Treasury and is honest too? :roll:
NO! Hes from chicago. Who is honest there?

HEY NOW! I'm from Chicago. There's quite a few politicians who can be honest, but have to play within the field of those who are generally dishonest. We are beginning to clean up our field. Patrick Fitzgerald operates out of Chicago, remember?

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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby JoeW » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:32:14

Plantagenet wrote:The dude is a tax cheat.....heaven only knows why Obama wants him in charge of Treasury. Doesn't Obama know anyone who can run Treasury and is honest too? :roll:

maybe it takes a cheat to catch a cheat.
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Re: Geithner obfuscated.

Unread postby cbxer55 » Thu 22 Jan 2009, 12:57:27

blukatzen wrote:
cbxer55 wrote:NO! Hes from chicago. Who is honest there?
HEY NOW! I'm from Chicago. There's quite a few politicians who can be honest, but have to play within the field of those who are generally dishonest. We are beginning to clean up our field. Patrick Fitzgerald operates out of Chicago, remember?

Sorry about that. Rephrased it for you.
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Geithners Dirty Little Secret

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 12:38:41

Not a pretty picture. The author lays 80% of the current crisis at the feet of Clinton. And Obama is continuing the tradition. http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2009/0330.html
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Re: Geithners Dirty Little Secret

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 15:47:05

Geithner's pick for #2 helped write the law for the Clinton Administration's deregulation of the Banking sector. http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/economy/nominee-for-treasurys-number-two-helped-draft-legislation-deregulating-banks/
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Re: Geithners Dirty Little Secret

Unread postby patience » Tue 31 Mar 2009, 16:38:51

Sorta makes it clear where the power is now, huh? If you're not a banker, you just don't count, it looks like to me.

In this interview, Engdahl says it will be worse than the 1930's if they don't address the real problems.
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Blew it on the link again. I'll go look up how to do it. Again.
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Re: Geithners Dirty Little Secret

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 08:14:24

GEITHNER'S 'DIRTY LIKE SECRET'
by F. William Engdahl
March 30, 2009

US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has unveiled his long-awaited plan to put the US banking system back in order. In doing so, he has refused to tell the ‘dirty little secret’ of the present financial crisis. By refusing to do so, he is trying to save de facto bankrupt US banks that threaten to bring the entire global system down in a new more devastating phase of wealth destruction.

The Geithner Plan, his so-called Public-Private Partnership Investment Program or PPPIP, as we have noted previously (Obamas Rettungsplan für die Banken: keine Lösung, sondern legaler Diebstahl), is designed not to restore a healthy lending system which would funnel credit to business and consumers. Rather it is yet another intricate scheme to pour even more hundreds of billions directly to the leading banks and Wall Street firms responsible for the current mess in world credit markets without demanding they change their business model. Yet, one might say, won’t this eventually help the problem by getting the banks back to health?

Not the way the Obama Administration is proceeding. In defending his plan on US TV recently, Geithner, a protégé of Henry Kissinger who previously was President of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, argued that his intent was ‘not to sustain weak banks at the expense of strong.’ Yet this is precisely what the PPPIP does. The weak banks are the five largest banks in the system.

The ‘dirty little secret’ which Geithner is going to great degrees to obscure from the public is very simple. There are only at most perhaps five US banks which are the source of the toxic poison that is causing such dislocation in the world financial system. What Geithner is desperately trying to protect is that reality. The heart of the present problem and the reason ordinary loan losses as in prior bank crises are not the problem, is a variety of exotic financial derivatives, most especially so-called Credit Default Swaps.

In 2000 the Clinton Administration then-Treasury Secretary was a man named Larry Summers. Summers had just been promoted from No. 2 under Wall Street Goldman Sachs banker Robert Rubin to be No. 1 when Rubin left Washington to take up the post of Vice Chairman of Citigroup. As I describe in detail in my new book, Power of Money: The Rise and Fall of the American Century, to be released this summer, Summers convinced President Bill Clinton to sign several Republican bills into law which opened the floodgates for banks to abuse their powers. The fact that the Wall Street big banks spent some $5 billion in lobbying for these changes after 1998 was likely not lost on Clinton.

One significant law was the repeal of the 1933 Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act that prohibited mergers of commercial banks, insurance companies and brokerage firms like Merrill Lynch or Goldman Sachs. A second law backed by Treasury Secretary Summers in 2000 was an obscure but deadly important Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. That law prevented the responsible US Government regulatory agency, Commodity Futures Trading Corporation (CFTC), from having any oversight over the trading of financial derivatives. The new CFMA law stipulated that so-called Over-the-Counter (OTC) derivatives like Credit Default Swaps, such as those involved in the AIG insurance disaster, (which investor Warren Buffett once called ‘weapons of mass financial destruction’), be free from Government regulation.

At the time Summers was busy opening the floodgates of financial abuse for the Wall Street Money Trust, his assistant was none other than Tim Geithner, the man who today is US Treasury Secretary. Today, Geithner’s old boss, Larry Summers, is President Obama’s chief economic adviser, as head of the White House Economic Council. To have Geithner and Summers responsible for cleaning up the financial mess is tantamount to putting the proverbial fox in to guard the henhouse.

The ‘Dirty Little Secret’

What Geithner does not want the public to understand, his ‘dirty little secret’ is that the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000 allowed the creation of a tiny handful of banks that would virtually monopolize key parts of the global ‘off-balance sheet’ or Over-The-Counter derivatives issuance.

Today five US banks according to data in the just-released Federal Office of Comptroller of the Currency’s Quarterly Report on Bank Trading and Derivatives Activity, hold 96% of all US bank derivatives positions in terms of nominal values, and an eye-popping 81% of the total net credit risk exposure in event of default.

The five are, in declining order of importance: JPMorgan Chase which holds a staggering $88 trillion in derivatives (€66 trillion!). Morgan Chase is followed by Bank of America with $38 trillion in derivatives, and Citibank with $32 trillion. Number four in the derivatives sweepstakes is Goldman Sachs with a ‘mere’ $30 trillion in derivatives. Number five, the merged Wells Fargo-Wachovia Bank, drops dramatically in size to $5 trillion. Number six, Britain’s HSBC Bank USA has $3.7 trillion.

After that the size of US bank exposure to these explosive off-balance-sheet unregulated derivative obligations falls off dramatically. Just to underscore the magnitude, trillion is written 1,000,000,000,000. Continuing to pour taxpayer money into these five banks without changing their operating system, is tantamount to treating an alcoholic with unlimited free booze.

The Government bailouts of AIG to over $180 billion to date has primarily gone to pay off AIG’s Credit Default Swap obligations to counterparty gamblers Goldman Sachs, Citibank, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, the banks who believe they are ‘too big to fail.’ In effect, these five institutions today believe they are so large that they can dictate the policy of the Federal Government. Some have called it a bankers’ coup d’etat. It definitely is not healthy.

This is Geithner’s and Wall Street’s Dirty Little Secret that they desperately try to hide because it would focus voter attention on real solutions. The Federal Government has long had laws in place to deal with insolvent banks. The FDIC places the bank into receivership, its assets and liabilities are sorted out by independent audit. The irresponsible management is purged, stockholders lose and the purged bank is eventually split into smaller units and when healthy, sold to the public. The power of the five mega banks to blackmail the entire nation would thereby be cut down to size. Ooohh. Uh Huh?

This is what Wall Street and Geithner are frantically trying to prevent. The problem is concentrated in these five large banks. The financial cancer must be isolated and contained by Federal agency in order for the host, the real economy, to return to healthy function.
This is what must be put into bankruptcy receivership, or nationalization. Every hour the Obama Administration delays that, and refuses to demand full independent government audit of the true solvency or insolvency of these five or so banks, inevitably costs to the US and to the world economy will snowball as derivatives losses explode. That is pre-programmed as worsening economic recession mean corporate bankruptcies are rising, home mortgage defaults are exploding, unemployment is shooting up. This is a situation that is deliberately being allowed to run out of (responsible Government) control by Treasury Secretary Geithner, Summers and ultimately the President, whether or not he has taken the time to grasp what is at stake.

Once the five problem banks have been put into isolation by the FDIC and the Treasury, the Administration must introduce legislation to immediately repeal the Larry Summers bank deregulation including restore Glass-Steagall and repeal the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that allowed the present criminal abuse of the banking trust. Then serious financial reform can begin to be discussed, starting with steps to ‘federalize’ the Federal Reserve and take the power of money out of the hands of private bankers such as JP Morgan Chase, Citibank or Goldman Sachs.
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Re: Geithners Dirty Little Secret

Unread postby deMolay » Wed 01 Apr 2009, 11:39:31

Mark Faber interview. The markets have been riding up and down 20-30% since last year. Just like in the 1930's. Highly volatile. http://www.europac.net/report/reports/report_faber.pdf
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Geithner's Stress Test "A Complete Sham,"

Unread postby Micki » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 19:57:51

The bank stress tests currently underway are “a complete sham,” says William Black, a former senior bank regulator and S&L prosecutor, and currently an Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the University of Missouri - Kansas City. “It’s a Potemkin model. Built to fool people.”


http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/ar ... lator-Says

The video is even better than the article. I recommend a small bucket of popcorn with this one.
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Re: Geithner's Stress Test "A Complete Sham,"

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 06 Apr 2009, 20:24:26

I thought I understood the concept of a stress test. You get on the treadmill
and they monitor you and increase the speed and incline until they see
an indication of your internal state of affairs and let you rest while they
conjure a course of action for you.

This seems more like a binary test to me. The Doctor in this case
is either going to give you a lollipop and send you home or put a
couple of coins on your eyes and get you ready for the slow
singin' and flower bringin'.

I like a good BS story as well as the next guy, and I have met some
BS artists that can lay out a dandy layer of the substance and even
suggest that it emits a rosy scent. But rarely do you encounter a BS
savant like this who enjoying feedlot quantities of the raw material,
has decided to cut to the chase and offer burial arrangements.
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