The Post Peak Habitat / Doomstead pt 2 (merged)

[autonomous]

Doomstead for <$1000 ? (I am not the seller):

Mobile home for sale - $500 (salton city)

http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/rvs/2751889125.html


I own several properties in the high desert communities nearby slab city. Much nicer compared to slab city, but plagued by drugs and hippies.

[Newfie]

A doomstead should have good access to water.

Slab City, or Salton City, is pretty dry.

Not my first choice.

[Revi]

The doomstead is any port in a storm. When it gets nasty on the ocean you want to head to a place where there is some shelter. The storm is almost here now. Nice to have some place to go.

[Newfie]

The doomstead is any port in a storm. When it gets nasty on the ocean you want to head to a place where there is some shelter. The storm is almost here now. Nice to have some place to go.

I know and you are right.

I just wish folks had a better choice of safe harbor.

[Revi]

Most people will not find the gunkhole. They will be pounded and pitchpoled until the masts come off and then they will be pushed around by the winds until they crash into something hard.

That's just the way it is. We might not make it either.

Here's a $6000 nice piece of land for a doomstead:

http://www.tcreal.com/search/displayListing/1008329

[Newfie]

http://harveyrealties.com/2011/11/10/ca ... ycocomagh/

http://harveyrealties.com/2011/11/10/bi ... g-baddeck/

[anador]

on 1 acre

[Newfie]

All joking aside Revi, I was not promoting the aquatic life form.

I guess each person has their own dread and for me it is the lack of water. I have driven past Salton City and it just gave me the willies that people could consider living out there, and that was several years ago.

I guess it is better than downtown LA, but I just can't see putting myself at such risk for lack of water.

I know many folks don't have much choice, I am just glad that I'm not one of them.

[davep]

I know many folks don't have much choice, I am just glad that I'm not one of them.

Indeed. Maybe the "nutters" amongst us who have already managed to choose a decent doomstead with access to water supplies will be seen to be the prescient ones. Or maybe we're just nutters...

[rangerone314]

No, it is not a choice refugee shelter. It is plagued by drugs and violence, just like the Hoovervilles of the depression.



I think there will be a lot of Slab Cities, but most of them won't have the balmy climate of Slab City in the winter. They will be miserable squatter camps outside of every town. I would rather live in some kind of a gated trailer park, but for a lot of people there won't be that choice. Did you know that they are putting people in debtor's prison for unpaid medical bills now?

If I was threatened debtor's prison for unpaid medical bills, I'd say fine, I die and then take a bunch of the f**kers with me on the way out.

[Newfie]

...........Did you know that they are putting people in debtor's prison for unpaid medical bills now?

If I was threatened debtor's prison for unpaid medical bills, I'd say fine, I die and then take a bunch of the f**kers with me on the way out.

No I had not heard that, got a link? Health insurance is kind of on my mind now for various reasons.

[xerces]

Here's a $6000 nice piece of land for a doomstead:

Nice, I wish I had a good piece of land to bug out to. But it looks like i'm going to have to deal with the coming economic collapse in my urban rental place.

[Whitefang]

Best to be mobile, a pickup RV for the family to be used as a basecamp before heading into the wild north.
You want fresh water and air.........temperate westcoast and few roads, as less people as possible.
To defend home and stay foot is playing roulette, the bank always wins.

Best basecamp place on Earth from a fishy point of view:

http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.a ... e&lakeid=9

http://www.sharphooks.com/tripplanner.a ... e&lakeid=9

99 sea to the skye.........get passed Whistler playground, Pemberton farming, Indian grounds into the outlaw valley of Divine.....
Climate, daily temp, wildlife and easy escape on foot to the North if needed. All perfect.
I am going for that place, would love to meet up with other survivalists/preppers, will try make it there by renting a camper pickup from big Van and just stay.
Idea is to head North after SHTF, with a Canadian family canou if possible.
BC had a million hunter gatherers, Indians living on the coast, that area is used to lots of rain, climate extremes and has hardly any people year round. Great place to wage your battle.
Figure best to be around 60 degrees when the cities die, one could even go Yukon if needed.

Just look at it:

If you are to about to die, why not in a gorgeous place?
Adventure awaits.......
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/planni ... p_2007.pdf
largest remaining intact coastal temperate rainforest on Earth
Kitlope Heritage Conservancy Protected Area, http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/planni ... tlope.html

TPTB will not be interested in a few roaming the wild northwest by canou, the indians used waterways as travel on ground is very hard with all that grows and the ups and downs there.
You do need survival skills though, and some gear to stay warm.
With that you can be a happy camper until things get quiet.

If me and my family will not be tricked into the wild west.......... 65 degrees.Sweden the second best for me, from a lowlands point of view that is.

[Whitefang]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitlope , Huchsduwachsdu Nuyem Jees / Kitlope Heritage Conservancy

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explor ... ea_map.pdf

"people of the rocks" or "people from the opening in the mountains, visitors should be experienced in ocean navigation and wilderness survival

The park is located at the end of the Gardner Canal, on British Columbia's central coast, approximately 50 km northwest of Bella Coola and 120 km southeast of Kitimat. The area is accessed by boat to the end of the Gardener Canal. The area is accessed by boat and aircraft only. Visitors should be experienced in ocean navigation and wilderness survival. Visitors can use jet boats to access Kitlope Lake and Kitlope River systems.

It takes a few hours to travel to the Kitlope by boat from Kitimat. The best time to visit the area is in July and August, when the marine conditions and the weather are at their best. Along the way visitors can do some fishing; visit Weewanie or Shearwater Hot Springs; watch for whales, seals, eagles, mountain goats, and bears; and view the wonderful waterfalls, tall granite cliffs, and hanging glaciers along Gardner Canal. Visitors arriving in larger vessels can anchor just outside the estuary area (deeper water) and then take a smaller boat (jet boats are best) up the Kitlope River to Kitlope Lake.

Park Size: 321,120 hectares

Special Notes:

This Conservancy is closed to Grizzly Bear hunting
There are no roads in this wilderness area.
A list of various companies that provide park activity opportunities are shown below in the section “Activities Available At This Park”.
Information for interpretive programs may be available from the Kitlope Watchmen at the BC Parks cabin from May to October.
Stay Safe:

There are no developed trails in this Conservancy.
Backcountry areas are not suitable for dogs or other pets due to wildlife issues and the potential for problem with bears.

[Newfie]

Whitefang,

Recommend reading:

The Dangerous River (take readers down the treacherous and challenging waters of the Nahanni River once again.)
http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-River-R ... 1894898869

Tundra (more about the barrens, but a good read)
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... ndra+mowat

[Whitefang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dscfeQOMuGw

That song's got a rithem/beat of it's own......electrifying.
"Give me the strength to split the world in two.....I ate all the rest....now I gotta eat you"

Thanks Newfie, that Mowat link reminds me of a Monstermagnet song........what would Mowat do if his memory starts to fail.......he'd find a power source, and pulls a plug .....blablabla.....
Just tested my two new kerosine burners, they work just fine, I can heat my house and family when power goes down the drain.
Main danger is still the hostile panic mob that will be around town when time comes.
Got a baseball bat, 9mm replica and crossbow, knives, alarm system.........no help against so many.

But seriously, I cannot come up with a better spot than the great Northwest Canadian outdoors.
Even with the wild rivers......never cry wolf as Mowat claims!!!!
Once drove up the Cassiar Hwy with an old 86 F250, fell in love with something there, something in the air maybe.
Winter is not that hard at the coast, summers can be spend moving up North.
Would be wise to stack up on food and shelter for the winter, then hunt/travel in summer.

[MrEnergyCzar]

I think in the rural northeast in a rail town surrounded by ample water and farmable land is the best place.... at least a tank and a half away from the major cities... There are a lot of train lines in the Northeast...

MrEnergyCzar

[vtsnowedin]

I think in the rural northeast in a rail town surrounded by ample water and farmable land is the best place.... at least a tank and a half away from the major cities... There are a lot of train lines in the Northeast...

MrEnergyCzar

It is hard to get a tank and a half out from any city in the North east without approching another city. Montreal to Boston to NY-NY to Buffalo etc.Even if you drop back to just one tank full you'd have a lot of doomers fighting over the same few hill tops. Better to look around the edges of working farmland for land in the foothills that is too broken up to be viable for commercial Ag but has enough tillable for a small holding along with water and woods. Several dairy farms in VT are going out of business this year due to low milk prices. Some of them are being sold off in pieces 10 - 25-100 acres at a time. Or you could buy an old fixer-upper house in the village if you realise that you don't have to fix it up right away or all at once and live on a paved road in walking distance to everything that matters and having the woods right out your back door. $85 -150K.

[Newfie]

Price of farmland in some areas is being driven by gas leases. That is skewing things in parts of PA and probably NY and Ohio.

I drive a good bit, a few hours, out of Philly to go hunting. Even there you can see gentrification.

My early waring is to look for horses. If you see horses then you know that the suburbs are encroaching. Not working horses, play horses. When you get horses the price has already gone up.

[vtsnowedin]

Price of farmland in some areas is being driven by gas leases. That is skewing things in parts of PA and probably NY and Ohio.

I drive a good bit, a few hours, out of Philly to go hunting. Even there you can see gentrification.

My early waring is to look for horses. If you see horses then you know that the suburbs are encroaching. Not working horses, play horses. When you get horses the price has already gone up.

Very good observation. Everybody with pleasure horses on their "estate" will be a debit not a credit to the area.