Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
along with the elevated temperatures and levels of greenhouse gases
Cid_Yama wrote:There is nothing positive about an Extinction Level Event.
Plantagenet wrote:Global warming will be beneficial to some agricultural peoples living at high altitudes. I was travelling in the Andes over xmas, where the highest cultivated areas currently go up to ca. 12-13,000'. Warmer temps are making it possible for farmers to cultivate new areas at higher elevations.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Cid_Yama wrote:There is nothing positive about an Extinction Level Event.
Tanada wrote:Plantagenet wrote:Global warming will be beneficial to some agricultural peoples living at high altitudes. I was travelling in the Andes over xmas, where the highest cultivated areas currently go up to ca. 12-13,000'. Warmer temps are making it possible for farmers to cultivate new areas at higher elevations.
I have wondered from time to time just how much difference changes in sea level will have. After all if the sea level goes up a foot per decade then the tree line on any given mountain should do the same thing. Basically the tree line is altitude dependent by location, the cloud deck will intersect the mountainside differently based on latitude and altitude.
Lore wrote:GoghGoner wrote:It should have a positive effect of reducing population and forcing evolutionary processes that have been halted to continue. I think I am and the rest of you are really stupid and it is my hope that a new species with 3x the intelligence is the future.
I’m not sure you can count on any further intelligent life coming along that would equal, let alone exceed ours, ever happening again on the planet earth, if and when we are gone. It took almost 3.8 billion years for a near mathematically impossible set of circumstances to come up with the genus Homo, which has only been around for the last 2.5 million years. There may simply not be enough time left on this planet with the right environment to come up with another species to rival our own.
Molecular evidence suggests that between 8 and 4 million years ago, first the gorillas, and then the chimpanzees (genus Pan) split off from the line leading to the humans; human DNA is approximately 98.4% identical to that of chimpanzees when comparing single nucleotide polymorphisms
The negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health, economy and environment far outweigh any positives
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... atives.htm
Lore wrote:John Cook of Skeptical Science has given a pretty good list of the positives versus the negatives of climate change based on the research data. In which he states:The negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health, economy and environment far outweigh any positives
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... atives.htm
Judge for yourself.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
mos6507 wrote:Seems like the southwest needs lots of arid nitrogen-fixers like mesquite to get the nitrogen BACK into the soil.
Shar_Lamagne wrote:Guess this thread should be called the POLLYANNA side to Global Warming.
Pollyannaish: unreasonably or illogically optimistic
Logical fallacy. I didn't see a single mention about how the LAST global warming has delivered to us a perfectly nice environment. Its like saying, "oh well sure, the LAST warming was fantastic, but the next one, well it will be different, and it will suck!"Lore wrote:John Cook of Skeptical Science has given a pretty good list of the positives versus the negatives of climate change based on the research data. In which he states:Judge for yourself.The negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health, economy and environment far outweigh any positives
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... atives.htm
I’m not sure why it needed mentioning? The logical fallacy would be to equate the last warm period with the one we are placing ourselves into along with several billion humans dependent on a stable environment in which to thrive.shortonsense wrote:Logical fallacy. I didn't see a single mention about how the LAST global warming has delivered to us a perfectly nice environment. Its like saying, "oh well sure, the LAST warming was fantastic, but the next one, well it will be different, and it will suck!"
Lore wrote: The logical fallacy would be to equate the last warm period with the one we are placing ourselves into along with several billion humans dependent on a stable environment in which to thrive.
By "we" do you mean Homo sapiens? Or do you mean our society/culture (industrial agricultural civilization)?shortonsense wrote:And an assumption that a naturally warming world isn't a place where we will continue to thrive....just like we have in the past. Certainly the ecosystem around, say, the Adirondacks, is a perfect example.Lore wrote: The logical fallacy would be to equate the last warm period with the one we are placing ourselves into along with several billion humans dependent on a stable environment in which to thrive.
I have never tried to differentiate between humans and civilization. I can understand the distinction, I'm just not certain which way I feel about the relationship.Ludi wrote:By "we" do you mean Homo sapiens? Or do you mean our society/culture (industrial agricultural civilization)?
Homo sapiens is quite adaptable, even to extreme climate change. There's evidence civilization may not be.
So you mean both? By "we" you mean civilized humans, or maybe our current industrial agricultural civilization?shortonsense wrote:I have never tried to differentiate between humans and civilization.
Well, I can't say I have considered the difference ( in the way I think about it when I say "we" ) well enough to pontificate on the topic yet.Ludi wrote:So you mean both? By "we" you mean civilized humans, or maybe our current industrial agricultural civilization? Just trying to figure out what you're saying, if anything.
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