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THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 18 Feb 2017, 22:24:03

Actually ... the article said it was due to he heating of the oceans. 2% in 50 years is huge.

Sad some of you don't get it. The biosphere is dying. Rapidly.

Yes, things like tardigrades and thermal vent creatures will thrive under the new conditions. But the rest of the biosphere will collapse.

You will get it, inevitably. Reality is a harsh mistress.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby kiwichick » Sun 19 Feb 2017, 00:14:21

Hi Cid.....hope you are well
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sun 19 Feb 2017, 00:23:44

Yeah, hang in there, cid. It's looking like there will be a lot to watch in the coming year or two.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Sun 19 Feb 2017, 04:03:25

Yes Cid, I and some others are always keen on your observations on the collapsing process. Stay well
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 19 Feb 2017, 08:20:03

Glad to see you around CID.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 19 Feb 2017, 12:22:56

The WMO thinks there may be a developing El Nino this year, right on the heels of the last one. Predictions for Pacific ocean temperatures are higher than normal for this time of year, and some are wondering if the warming temperatures are already changing the ENSO pattern.

One thing is clear, however: the possibility of another El Niño so close to the one that ended in mid 2016 is a bit weird. As the United Kingdom’s national weather service notes, there are precedents for close El Niños, but “the level of warming in current predictions of the tropical Pacific is unusual for this time of year.” Then again, oceans are warming up in general, and those warm temperatures could change the ENSO pattern at some point. Scientists are still trying to figure out if that is in fact taking place.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new ... 180962200/
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 16:09:13

possible accelerated shutdown of the Gulf Stream leading to a much chillier N. Europe?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tists-warn
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 19:34:09

dohboi wrote:possible accelerated shutdown of the Gulf Stream leading to a much chillier N. Europe?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tists-warn


Very silly, it has been known for 20 years or longer that the Gulf Stream has very little to do with the maritime climate of Great Britain, France or Norway. The exact same latitudes on the west coast of North America facing the Pacific have equivalent weather effects from being to windward of a large open body of water that stores an enormous heat potential.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby yellowcanoe » Fri 24 Feb 2017, 20:50:20

WildRose wrote:The WMO thinks there may be a developing El Nino this year, right on the heels of the last one. Predictions for Pacific ocean temperatures are higher than normal for this time of year, and some are wondering if the warming temperatures are already changing the ENSO pattern.


It almost seems that we are in an El Nino right now. This January in Eastern Ontario was the third warmest in the last 80 years so in other words it was warmer than in many El Nino years. This winter has been marked by an almost total absence of extreme cold weather -- very few days where the low was in the -20C range. We haven't had any record breaking warm days, just lots of days where the temperature was above normal. February brought colder weather but the last week has been pretty warm and we'll finish the month with above average temperatures. It's been warm out your way too -- Edmonton has been having warmer temperatures on average than Ottawa this month. I'll have to mention that to my daughter in Edmonton!
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 25 Feb 2017, 04:08:23

yellowcanoe wrote:
WildRose wrote:The WMO thinks there may be a developing El Nino this year, right on the heels of the last one. Predictions for Pacific ocean temperatures are higher than normal for this time of year, and some are wondering if the warming temperatures are already changing the ENSO pattern.


It almost seems that we are in an El Nino right now. This January in Eastern Ontario was the third warmest in the last 80 years so in other words it was warmer than in many El Nino years. This winter has been marked by an almost total absence of extreme cold weather -- very few days where the low was in the -20C range. We haven't had any record breaking warm days, just lots of days where the temperature was above normal. February brought colder weather but the last week has been pretty warm and we'll finish the month with above average temperatures. It's been warm out your way too -- Edmonton has been having warmer temperatures on average than Ottawa this month. I'll have to mention that to my daughter in Edmonton!


Hi yellowcanoe, we had a couple of colder spells earlier in the winter that made me think we may have a more "normal" winter for Edmonton this year, but then this month we had some record-breaking warm temperatures and the snow has almost disappeared. My garden and perennial planting areas are already bare. I guess I should wish for more snow because if we go into spring dry like this, it could mean another nasty forest fire season later in the spring. Overall, we had very few nights in the -20 range, same as you in Eastern Ontario.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 25 Feb 2017, 08:10:29

Rather than dig around for the old Deep Water Horizion thread I decided to post this here. An article summarizing scientific findings from the incident. Pretty light weight reading.

http://m.dw.com/en/the-legacy-of-deepwa ... a-37662810
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 25 Feb 2017, 08:34:08

T, good points, as usual. And as usual, headlines over-dramatize. They could have left out the 'much' in this case.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 27 Feb 2017, 00:55:32

Ocean temperatures off the charts--note especially the Gulf of Mexico, setting new records for this time of year

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status ... 6382978049
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 03 Mar 2017, 17:33:07

This is why its difficult to have any optimism for the future. This trend must be reversed soon
http://sciencevibe.com/2017/03/03/ocean ... ying-fast/
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 20:20:52

https://robertscribbler.com/2017/03/10/ ... elerating/
The Oceans are Warming Faster than Previously Thought; Rate of Heat Build-up Accelerating
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 21:21:46

Yeah...


This is not good
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 21:25:25

dohboi wrote:Yeah...


This is not good

Dohboi, am I wrong about this but we are NOT supposed to be witnessing so much change so fast. Geological time periods and such
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Fri 10 Mar 2017, 23:32:22

Cid_Yama wrote:Actually ... the article said it was due to he heating of the oceans. 2% in 50 years is huge.

Sad some of you don't get it. The biosphere is dying. Rapidly.

Yes, things like tardigrades and thermal vent creatures will thrive under the new conditions. But the rest of the biosphere will collapse.

You will get it, inevitably. Reality is a harsh mistress.


Yet even the Democrats have nothing to say about it. All they care about is nonsense like womens march and black lives matter while the biosphere is literally DYING.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 01:01:14

Most people haven't a clue. If they watch the news it's usually local. Most just look for entertainment on the TV and internet.

It seems to be a combination of limited education, limited intelligence, and faith that the world will go on as it always has. They don't want to hear otherwise.

Not like there is anything that can be done. Far too late for that.

As far as I'm concerned, I would rather they continue to go to work and pay their bills right up to the end. No need to hurry the collapse.

If there was something that could be done, I would think otherwise. But in this situation, Ignorance is Bliss. Let them go on believing as they do.

It would be cruel now to enlighten them to a hopeless situation. Let them have their dreams.
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Re: THE Oceans & Seas Thread pt 3

Unread postby Ibon » Sat 11 Mar 2017, 06:21:55

Cid_Yama wrote:Not like there is anything that can be done. Far too late for that.

As far as I'm concerned, I would rather they continue to go to work and pay their bills right up to the end. No need to hurry the collapse.

If there was something that could be done, I would think otherwise. But in this situation, Ignorance is Bliss. Let them go on believing as they do.

It would be cruel now to enlighten them to a hopeless situation. Let them have their dreams.


I tend to agree with this. Why remind Cog of his grandchildren :)

I also see this as a way of surrendering over to the natural consequences that will come our way since we all know deep inside that we have failed to mitigate. The imbalances and calamities coming our way is how we will pay tribute once again to mother nature, how we will honor once again forces beyond our ability to control. It's a bit twisted but this is how we will eventually re acquaint ourselves with humility.

Somewhere on the other side the question remains if the lessons learned will be embedded culturally? This question is where I stay tethered to a sense of hope for our species, that this is all a drama being played out to somehow embed wisdom collectively in how we treat our mother earth.

I look around my little patch of forest here and everything seems so wild and untouched, some frog species have disappeared in the past 10 years, some lowland bird species have wandered up and are now nesting here, otherwise the ecology here is intact and thriving. It is very hard to embrace the instabilities we read about concerning our climate and imagine major changes here.

Last week we had two guests, a couple who are RN nurses and they have worked summers in the Pribilof islands in Alaska during the past 20 years. The stories they tell are truly alarming on how the lives of the natives have been displaced due to climate change, the dramatic changes in sea ice, the impact this has had on coastal communities. Nothing comparable to this is happening here or in most places still.
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