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THE Nuclear Fusion Thread Pt. 2(merged)

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Thermonuclear Fusion: How Scientists Hope to Extract Energy

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 14 Dec 2017, 22:18:03

The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) project has reached an important milestone, passing the 50% completion mark this month. Nuclear physicist Anatoly Krasilnikov, director of Russia's ITER Project Center, told the RIA Novosti news agency about Russia's key role in the project. ITER project general director Bernard Bigot announced last week that the ambitious $23.7 billion nuclear fusion research and engineering megaproject in Saint-Paul-les-Durance, southern France is now over 50% finished. The project, whose participants include Russia, the EU, the US, China, India, Japan, South Korea and Switzerland, envisions completing the assembly of its doughnut-shaped tokamak reactor by 2021, and starting the process of superheating hydrogen atoms to 150 million degrees Celsius – ten times the temperature of the Sun's core, by 2025. © Sputnik/ Taras Litvinenko Physicists to Create Solar Panel Based on Graphene and Quantum Dots The idea of a reactor capable of controlled thermonuclear fusion for the creation of electrical energy is a


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Re: THE Nuclear Fusion Thread Pt. 2(merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Fri 15 Dec 2017, 21:00:20

Another fusion farce...they are desperate beyond belief. More looting.

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Breakthroughs Could Make Commercial Laser Nuclear Fusion Through Billion Times Improvements In Yield.

Two recent scientific breakthroughs have opened a new way to laser fusion reactions according to startup HB11 Energy. It involves the reaction between hydrogen H and the boron isotope 11 (HB11) as uncompressed solid state fuel within an extremely high trapping magnetic field. * a 1 kilojoule laser boosts a magnetic field to 4500-10000 tesla for over one nanosecond. A research paper claims experimentally confirmed reaction gains one billion times higher than the classical values, placing it far ahead any DT fusion approaches. HB11 energy expects to be able to provide energy for about ¼ of the price of coal fired power, without any carbon emissions or radioactive by-products, which will be disruptive to the power industry.

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With the aim to overcome the problems of climatic changes and rising ocean levels, one option is to produce large-scale sustainable energy by nuclear fusion of hydrogen and other very light nuclei similar to the energy source of the sun. Sixty years of worldwide research for the ignition of the heavy hydrogen isotopes deuterium (D) and tritium (T) have come close to a breakthrough for ignition. The problem with the DT fusion is that generated neutrons are producing radioactive waste. One exception as the ideal clean fusion process – without neutron production – is the fusion of hydrogen (H) with the boron isotope 11B11 (B11). In this paper, we have mapped out our research based on recent experiments and simulations for a new energy source. We suggest how HB11 fusion for a reactor can be used instead of the DT option. We have mapped out our HB11 fusion in the following way: (i) The acceleration of a plasma block with a laser beam with the power and time duration of the order of 10 petawatts and one picosecond accordingly. (ii) A plasma confinement by a magnetic field of the order of a few kiloteslas created by a second laser beam with a pulse duration of a few nanoseconds (ns). (iii) The highly increased fusion of HB11 relative to present DT fusion is possible due to the alphas avalanche created in this process. (iv) The conversion of the output charged alpha particles directly to electricity. (v) To prove the above ideas, our simulations show for example that 14 milligram HB11 can produce 300 kWh energy if all achieved results are combined for the design of an absolutely clean power reactor producing low-cost energy.
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Re: THE Nuclear Fusion Thread Pt. 2(merged)

Unread postby StarvingLion » Mon 18 Dec 2017, 20:45:35

More massive fraud....

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The Lockheed effort is happening at a time of great problems inside the fusion community. For many years, US fusion funding has been heavily focused on just one machine: ITER. This single project is eating the larger budget of the Office of Fusion Energy Sciences. Because of ITERs’ thirst for cash, many other concepts have been strangled or shut down. Often, researchers need to “show relevance” to ITER, otherwise they will run the risk of getting closed down. After years of this kind of single minded support, many good ideas are languishing. For example, the University of Washington has invented a new fusion concept called the dynomak. The team is seeking 30 million over five years [13]. Their idea has a lot of promise. But the Office of Fusion Energy Sciences cannot and will not help them. The agency only cares about ITER. So the team, is turning to ARPA-E and private investment for support [14]. In another example, the company EMC2, has published promising results on the polywell [15]. To take the concept further they need 30 million in investment, but again – the Office of Fusion Energy Sciences is not helping [16]. So many projects are hurting. In October, MIT had to shut down the Alacator tokamak due to a lack of funding [17]. Also, the Levitating Dipole Experiment needs a few million over several years and the Plasma Liner Experiment at Los Alamos is surviving on limited ARPA-E funding [18, 19]. All this funding is being redistributed to ITER – and there is a strong argument that ITER will never lead to a commercial fusion power plant [
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ITER Nuclear Fusion Plant Is Halfway Finished

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The International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor plant in Saint-Paul-Lez-Durance, France, is 50 percent complete. ANNE-CHRISTINE POUJOULAT/Getty Images The sprawling landscape of construction cranes and partially completed buildings, along with a massive metal-and-steel ring, was described as looking like a "modern-day Stonehenge" by The New York Times in March 2017. It's been a decade since construction began on the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor plant, known as ITER. The project, which involves 35 nations including the U.S., aims to demonstrate that nuclear fusion — the combining of hydrogen isotopes to form helium, the same process by which stars generate light and heat — could be a viable future source of power generation for an energy-hungry world. The project has been dogged by delays and seen its projected cost nearly quadruple over the years to 18 billion euros ($22 billion), and even a 2016 U.S. Department


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The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 20:45:10

Renewable energy sources like solar and wind account for a growing share of the world’s electric power. That’s no surprise, given concerns about the carbon emissions from fossil fuel-fired power plants and their harmful effect on the climate. Nuclear energy offers some advantages over renewables, including the ability to make electricity when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow. But today’s nuclear plants use fission, which splits atoms of rare metals like uranium. Fission creates radioactive waste and can be hard to control — as evidenced by reactor accidents like those at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. Another form of nuclear energy known as fusion, which joins atoms of cheap and abundant hydrogen, can produce essentially limitless supplies of power without creating lots of radioactive waste. Fusion has powered the sun for billions of years. Yet despite decades of effort,


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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby GHung » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 21:05:56

Just another pep rally for fairy dust. All hat, no cattle kind of article.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 22:17:26

GHung wrote:Just another pep rally for fairy dust. All hat, no cattle kind of article.

To me, the "coming to an end" is COMPLETELY misleading, compared to the forecast in the 30ish year range (IF things go well).

I call clickbait BS. Because saying something honest like "hopefully only 30 years or so until we have Fusion, an improvement over the normal forecast of only 40 years or so" isn't going to get nearly as many clicks.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby GHung » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 22:38:12

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
GHung wrote:Just another pep rally for fairy dust. All hat, no cattle kind of article.

To me, the "coming to an end" is COMPLETELY misleading, compared to the forecast in the 30ish year range (IF things go well).

I call clickbait BS. Because saying something honest like "hopefully only 30 years or so until we have Fusion, an improvement over the normal forecast of only 40 years or so" isn't going to get nearly as many clicks.


I'm sure there's an intentional 'don't worry, be happy' plan in there somewhere. Wouldn't want growth monkeys to get nervous about their future energy prospects, eh?
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Antaris » Fri 29 Dec 2017, 23:54:36

The 5 day forecast for last Saturday said "sunny day" but it snowed instead.How can anyone predict anything short term in this world and get it right ? They can't, but bullshit baffles brains every time.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 09:52:32

GHung wrote:I'm sure there's an intentional 'don't worry, be happy' plan in there somewhere. Wouldn't want growth monkeys to get nervous about their future energy prospects, eh?


Clickbait is usually about generating ad-clicks, not propaganda.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby GHung » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 10:28:10

asg70 wrote:
GHung wrote:I'm sure there's an intentional 'don't worry, be happy' plan in there somewhere. Wouldn't want growth monkeys to get nervous about their future energy prospects, eh?


Clickbait is usually about generating ad-clicks, not propaganda.


I find it's usually about both these days. Propaganda generates a lot of clicks.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 30 Dec 2017, 22:41:27

BAH Humbug, they have been promising me Fusion power too cheap to meter basically my whole life and they have yet to accomplish anything except creating big booms that generate raw untappable energy.
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Nuclear Fusion Could Be A Silver Bullet — And Just Around Th

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 11:21:33


Private investors are now actively trying to commercialize an advanced form of nuclear energy and one that would leave no environmental footprint while also delivering electricity to the world’s expanding population. At issue is nuclear fusion, which has been an elusive concept for six decades but which one firm hopes to makes real by 2025. TAE Technologies, which has backing from a founder of Microsoft Corp. and which uses Google’s algorithms to better mold plasma that is at the core of the fusion technology, says that the concept can be mastered. Basically, the goal is to fuse atoms together, which requires intense heat levels. If it could be commercialized, the result would produce10 million times more power than a conventional power plant — without CO2 emissions and without radioactive materials. “The entire game is to learn how to control the


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Re: Nuclear Fusion Could Be A Silver Bullet — And Just Aroun

Unread postby StarvingLion » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 14:09:06

AdamB wrote:

Private investors are now actively trying to commercialize an advanced form of nuclear energy and one that would leave no environmental footprint while also delivering electricity to the world’s expanding population. At issue is nuclear fusion, which has been an elusive concept for six decades but which one firm hopes to makes real by 2025. TAE Technologies, which has backing from a founder of Microsoft Corp. and which uses Google’s algorithms to better mold plasma that is at the core of the fusion technology, says that the concept can be mastered. Basically, the goal is to fuse atoms together, which requires intense heat levels. If it could be commercialized, the result would produce10 million times more power than a conventional power plant — without CO2 emissions and without radioactive materials. “The entire game is to learn how to control the


Nuclear Fusion Could Be A Silver Bullet — And Just Around The Corner


"TAE Technologies, which has backing from a founder of Microsoft Corp. and which uses Google’s algorithms..."

Nuff said.

Scam.

Fraud.

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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 14:23:07

Antaris wrote:The 5 day forecast for last Saturday said "sunny day" but it snowed instead.How can anyone predict anything short term in this world and get it right ? They can't, but bullshit baffles brains every time.

Anyone who doesn't realize weather forecasts are highly unreliable beyond about 48 hours, at least in an area where the weather changes a lot, isn't paying attention.

No one can consistently and accurately predict anything in detail about the economy over time. Again, anyone paying much attention knows this. (For example, someone who could reliably predict the direction of the stock market tomorrow, every day, could become the richest person in the world within a few years. Yet, in reality, the best "gurus" like Buffett manage to do a few percent or so better than the markets, long term, mostly by owning and growing small businesses, which is something small investors can't do. So it's not like anyone is even REMOTELY close to doing this. Not that investment advisory services won't claim otherwise, instead of becoming wildly rich themselves. Funny how that works.)
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 17:10:10

Whenever it rained or snowed during Junior High School in Vandalia, Illinois in the mid-1960s, our gym class morphed into "Health" where they endeavored to teach a healthy lifestyle. I remember a cutaway drawing of a fusion-powered spaceship in our textbook, and another schematic of a fusion power plant for electricity. This was confidently predicted to be "within 10 years". That was 53 years ago.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby baha » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 18:35:15

Do I have to point it out again?

All we've ever had is a Fusion reactor powering the Earth. His name is Father Sun and he just loves turning hydrogen into helium. He's got at least 4 billion years left so just relax.

You could install Solar PV and start harvesting it, or you can wait a few hundred million years for the next batch of oil to get cooked up. You're choice :)

Sure we might make our own fusion reactor in another few decades but who wants a Sun in their backyard?
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 21:07:22

KaiserJeep wrote:Whenever it rained or snowed during Junior High School in Vandalia, Illinois in the mid-1960s, our gym class morphed into "Health" where they endeavored to teach a healthy lifestyle. I remember a cutaway drawing of a fusion-powered spaceship in our textbook, and another schematic of a fusion power plant for electricity. This was confidently predicted to be "within 10 years". That was 53 years ago.



Yup, FUSION IS THE POWER OF THE FUTURE; and it always will be.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby jedrider » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 21:35:43

The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end.


You mean, they 'gave up?' About time.
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Re: The long wait for fusion power may be coming to an end

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 14 Feb 2018, 21:51:57

baha wrote:Sure we might make our own fusion reactor in another few decades but who wants a Sun in their backyard?

It's not dangerous. It's so hard to create artificial fusion that if the reactor stops working it can't melt down or anything.

My problem with it is the high cost and long time to develop, and STILL -- massive uncertainty about when or if it ever works (much less is commercially viable). Mean time all the resources getting poured into it could be put toward more and better solar and more and better batteries. Those $billions year after year would really add up for solar/batteries.
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