Shaved Monkey wrote:According to the "theory" the US cant be considered rogue.
In theory, at least, to be classified as a rogue, a state had to commit four transgressions: pursue weapons of mass destruction, support terrorism, severely abuse its own citizens, and stridently criticize the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_state
Well, that's correct. If a nation is "rogue," then that's a matter of vantage point -- you and me speak English, you and me live in the West, Shaved Monkey, we are English speaking Westerners that come from a British heritage.
That's our vantage point, or should be.
So -- those OUTSIDE the West, that are in opposition to the West, are the "rogue" nations. They are "rogue" against the western allies. Whereas from their vantage point, we are rogue against the Dear Leader Putin, or we are rogue against their caliph, or rogue against the Chinese communist party.
It's a matter of vantage point.
So I'd have to ask what is Chomsky's vantage point, if he's saying America and the West are all rogues -- then why doesn't he go move to where others would share his view. If Chomsky does not believe in constitutional civil rights and democracy, then why does he live here.
What's he expect us to do, love China and love Iran and love all the oppression and crazy sh*t they have over there and just hate our own country where we actually live, it makes no sense to me.
We're Americans, and Westerners. We believe in our way of life and believe it's the best way for all people, if they can have it. We're not Chinese. We're not Iranians, or North Koreans, or Russians. We're not Belorussians either -- I remember reading about some old ladies in Belarus that just lit a candle for peace in Ukraine, and sure enough here comes the police and they arrested them.
From the wiki on "outposts of tyranny:"
The world should apply what Natan Sharansky calls the "town square test": if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. We cannot rest until every person living in a "fear society" has finally won their freedom."[1]
There's two sides in this world, there's a side where people can walk in the town square and mostly say whatever they want to, and there's the other side where government has an iron boot on top of speech and thought.
So yeah, we're the good guys and yeah, dictatorships are the rogues.
Plenty of our allies are "fear society" dictatorships that don't pass the "town square test," but you only get labeled a rogue if you're not only a dictatorship but you're also actively opposed and screwing with the West.
It's natural that tyrannical societies are opposed to free ones -- generally, the two usually can't get along or be friends, because the oppressive society fears the FREEDOM of the other. They can't get too close to us, or their people would want what our people have. Those are the rogues, that's a what a rogue state is. It's a North Korea that brutalizes its own people, and attacked an American company because it made a movie they're afraid for their people to see.
On the other hand -- American police are pulling their guns and using them too much lately, and that ought to stop. That all comes from post 9/11 and the police got militarized and got a bunch of funding and they're too gung ho like they're patrolling Falujah or something. So see we are drifting off course a bit in some areas, but that doesn't mean the American Way isn't the right way, it means we're drifting from our own values when we do things like that.
And it's not just the American Way, it's the Australian Way, and the Dutch Way, etc. It's Western, it's just sh*t making sense and not crazy insane things going on and brutal oppression like so much of the world has, and we in the West do not.
(the real definition of rogue nation is not just a place that fails the free speech "town square" test, but rather it's a place that's just a bottom line bad guy. They defy all international law and are completely impossible to work with. The rogue nations fund terrorism, and they do international crime -- like how North Korea counterfeits US dollars. And NK just frickin' kidnaps Japanese, when they want to.
Rogues are like -- barbarians. They are Hun, the vikings, enemies of civilization.
And Noam Chomsky is apparently opposed to civilization. Of course he is, he's an anarchist right? So what does he want, the ISIS caliphate to get bigger. Does Chomsky want to see Iran take over half the middle east, and they're working on nukes to give them cover to be ROGUES and do whatever bad guy stuff they want to do -- complete with missiles they buy from Russia.
Does Noam Chomksy not care, if oppression in North Korea and Cuba never end?
Is Noam Chomksy against the whole West and for all the enemies of our civilization?
I don't know what side he is on, but I know I'm not on it. I never could understand anarchists, it really should be common sense, anarchists want to bring on ANARCHY -- they are the ones that just want to tear it all down, replaced with nothing but madness and anarchy. I swear I can't figure anarchists out, nor want to.
And one last thing about Chomsky -- his real philosophy is that he is an anarchist -- and he is anti-American and anti-Western -- so environmentalism is just incidental to the anti-americanism, it supports his arguments for why the West is so rogue and are the bad guys. That's why you'll never hear him talking about pollution in China or anywhere else, because his point is the anti-americanism not the environment anyway.)