The trick is outwitting these influential and manipulative people and how we go about it without being duped as we often have been in the past.
that is the real trick isn't it!
The trick is outwitting these influential and manipulative people and how we go about it without being duped as we often have been in the past.
mattduke wrote:To make a profit, one consumes market resources resources only to replace them with products more highly valued. A profitable enterprise continuously improves the supply of available economic goods as society sees most fit. If society does not want that labor performed, it will see to it with punishing losses. Profit is the reward for improving the conditions of society. A profitable enterprise improves conditions for everyone. A loss-generating company is a loss for everyone. They consume resources and replace them with less desirable products. The sooner a losing business goes under, the better for everyone.
bratticus wrote:Can the Vatican go bankrupt? They are 21 million in debt in just a year so far.
http://peakoil.com/post924298.html#p924298
Misery loves company. They just want to pretend they are like the rest of us, I would trust the Pope about as far as I could throw him. Not too many people in this world get to look inside their books, especially the twits like Cindy Wooden of the Catholic News Service.bratticus wrote:Can the Vatican go bankrupt? They are 21 million in debt in just a year so far.
mattduke wrote:americandream wrote:The man's an idiot!
The very word "profit" does not contemplate social good other than the most superficial necessary to further the private good it exclusively encapsulates.
To make a profit, one consumes market resources resources only to replace them with products more highly valued. A profitable enterprise continuously improves the supply of available economic goods as society sees most fit. If society does not want that labor performed, it will see to it with punishing losses. Profit is the reward for improving the conditions of society. A profitable enterprise improves conditions for everyone. A loss-generating company is a loss for everyone. They consume resources and replace them with less desirable products. The sooner a losing business goes under, the better for everyone.
ABC Williams says we have been lying to ourselves about the economy
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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams made his humble appearance yesterday at Convention where he was greeted with standing, but polite applause from the House of Bishops. He sat at the back of the room next to the Bishop of Tanzania. Later, at a lecture where he basically bashed capitalism to an overflow audience, the archbishop said we've been lying to ourselves, and described the threefold crisis of truthfulness that he believes lies at the heart of current financial worries. "There has been a "drastic erosion" in the ordinary values of truthfulness and relationship building, said Williams."Our word," he said, "has not been our bond." Secondly, we've lied to ourselves about our place in creation, pretending that our limited world will support limitless growth and that profit is risk free." Thirdly, the Archbishop stated that our nature as essentially communal beings hasn't been truthfully engaged economically and that we've ignored the social impact of profit making. With this critique in mind, our task isn't simply to restore finances to "normal" but to rebuild and reform a system that has proven itself dysfunctional."
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bratticus wrote:The Catholic church is just a bunch of doomers anyway, just look:ABC Williams says we have been lying to ourselves about the economy
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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams made his humble appearance yesterday at Convention where he was greeted with standing, but polite applause from the House of Bishops. He sat at the back of the room next to the Bishop of Tanzania. Later, at a lecture where he basically bashed capitalism to an overflow audience, the archbishop said we've been lying to ourselves, and described the threefold crisis of truthfulness that he believes lies at the heart of current financial worries. "There has been a "drastic erosion" in the ordinary values of truthfulness and relationship building, said Williams."Our word," he said, "has not been our bond." Secondly, we've lied to ourselves about our place in creation, pretending that our limited world will support limitless growth and that profit is risk free." Thirdly, the Archbishop stated that our nature as essentially communal beings hasn't been truthfully engaged economically and that we've ignored the social impact of profit making. With this critique in mind, our task isn't simply to restore finances to "normal" but to rebuild and reform a system that has proven itself dysfunctional."
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TreeFarmer wrote:The Pope said something close to "In several sections of the encyclical, the Pope makes it clear he has grave reservations about a totally free market."
While not a Roman Catholic I am a Christian so I have this to ask of the Pope, borrowing from Milton Friedman; where are you going to find the virtuous people to put in charge of the world eeconomy? You won't find them becuase they don't exist.
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jbrovont wrote:Well, if you're a fundamentalist Catholic, which I'm pretty sure the Pope is, then world economic collapse is just part of the end-game scenario of the rise of the antichrist. If you're going to have a world economy, then it makes sense that it does need to be regulated, at least somewhat - and if you also believe that paves the way for armageddon and the eventual return of Christ, then to the Pope, these events are probably just part of God's plan.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way here - I'm just saying that to me, it would seem that the Pope's actions are in line with the world view of the Catholic church.
americandream wrote:Have you ever known the bludgers at the top table to do anything for the benefit of the masses?DrBang wrote:A call for a New World Order and a global government. This is popping up all over the place. Whether its a good idea or not won't be based around the best interests of the masses.
also interesting:Climate change, energy crisis, genocides, religious conflicts and overpopulation are only few examples of a vast spectrum of problems modern world has to solve. The outcry for peace and safety has become louder with each new international conflict. Recent events in Haiti have once again proven the vulnerability and imminent threat for our world order. Is a global empire the right solution for all our woes?
For many, China is on his way to become a new giant, a very hungry giant. Experts believe that China’s economic growth can ascend the nation to a new leading superpower. Some of those experts have already set a date: 2025. Liebig's law of the minimum will ensure a rude awakening for those experts.
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