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THE Natural Gas Thread Pt. 2

General discussions of the systemic, societal and civilisational effects of depletion.

Re: Electricity and natural gas live consumption by country

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Wed 31 Aug 2011, 23:29:02

In Canada you might look by province: ONTARIO DEMAND AND MARKET PRICES
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Re: Electricity and natural gas live consumption by country

Unread postby sandu635 » Thu 01 Sep 2011, 16:51:11

California : electricity

it's a nightmare finding this data by state and province in USA and Canada.
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Re: Electricity and natural gas live consumption by country

Unread postby morph » Fri 02 Sep 2011, 14:32:46

UK - Electricity http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm - Load of details not just demand, also system warnings, mix, predicted demand etc...
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Re: Electricity and natural gas live consumption by country

Unread postby sandu635 » Tue 06 Sep 2011, 03:36:41

Hungary : electricity
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Re: Electricity and natural gas live consumption by country

Unread postby sandu635 » Fri 09 Sep 2011, 03:00:22

Slovakia : electricity
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America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 19:13:11

America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export Role

Nevertheless, America's natural gas infrastructure is an order of magnitude larger and more sophisticated than any other of our competitors in this business. Even though the U.S. doesn't have export facilities completed yet, that's a minor piece of the puzzle. What we do have is tremendous amounts of supply and very low prices compared to the rest of the world. We have enormous storage and production facilities that can guarantee supply for decades at fixed prices. No one else will be able to compete with that.

TER: You mentioned earlier Cheniere Energy is part of the shift from building LNG facilities for import to export. Are some other companies interesting to you in the energy export market?

PS: Yes, but first I have to tell you one more thing about Cheniere because it's so ironic. Guess how many LNG import facilities have been built in the U.S. throughout history? Four. Guess how many of them eventually went bankrupt? All of them. And why?

Because America is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. We have the world's largest reserves of natural gas, and the world's most sophisticated production and storage facilities, by a wide margin. Coming up with a business model to bring natural gas into the U.S. would be akin to a sheik in Dubai importing sand from Chile. It just doesn't make any sense.


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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby peeker01 » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 19:23:10

It's a beautiful thing. There is hope for the future.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby seahorse3 » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 22:30:02

The fact that the US will be exporting it's NG confirms my opinion that the US is collectively incapable of transitioning off of oil and that the US will become a third world nation where it's resources are harvested and exported for others to use and enjoy. It is the opinion of Kaplan is his essay "the coming anarchy". Globalization benefits the few who have no allegiance or loyalty to noble ideas like democracy or even communism. Globalization is all about the maximization of profits for shareholders. There was an old 70s movie called rollerball where the world was ruled by corporations, we're pretty much at that point. So, when you say there is hope for the future I would say for who and for what? IRS a trend to a future I fear most
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby prajeshbhat » Wed 14 Sep 2011, 22:53:12

I bet the Pharaohs believed building larger and larger pyramids will save their empire.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby peeker01 » Thu 15 Sep 2011, 19:43:47

When I think of America's great bounty of natural gas, how come I don't think of Easter Island and
Egypt? Could it be because they have no relevance?
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby MD » Thu 15 Sep 2011, 19:48:55

Exxon Mobil had been investing heavily in LNG transport vessels. That fleet was booked to carry NG from Middle East to Asia from the first sail to the last, at least according to the initial plan.

I wonder where they are today?
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby peeker01 » Thu 15 Sep 2011, 20:37:40

Let's hope they are on the way to alleviate some poor country's dependence on expensive crude.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby JRP3 » Fri 16 Sep 2011, 19:41:57

peeker01 wrote:When I think of America's great bounty of natural gas, how come I don't think of Easter Island and
Egypt? Could it be because they have no relevance?

Or it could be that you are being as short sighted as most. America's NG reserves have been downgraded, wells are dropping production faster than expected. It's a finite resource, we probably shouldn't be sending it away.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby peeker01 » Fri 16 Sep 2011, 20:34:57

Temporary issue. Big NG discoveries waiting.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby peeker01 » Fri 16 Sep 2011, 22:18:25

Yep. As soon as the USGS punches it's first hole, I might start to pay attention.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 17 Sep 2011, 02:21:50

Seems like only yesterday, during a period of high prices and supply uncertainty, that some congressmen were demanding an accounting of US oil exports. We will soon see the same with gas.
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Re: America the Saudi Arabia of Natural Gas Shifts to Export

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Sat 17 Sep 2011, 21:13:41

We just need more fracking! We need to shove the liberals out of the way first.
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