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THE Megaproject Thread (merged)

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 19:31:52

Petroleum Review October 2005 Megaprojects Update

The conclusion? "In 2004, effectively all the world’s spare capacity was used up in meeting unexpectedly rapid demand growth. It is not at all clear if the world’s oil companies can provide an incremental 3mnplus b/d from all the small, untabulated projects and infill drilling going forward year after year. The world has now reached the point where the volumes lost to depletion are much larger than the levels of likely new demand. This means total increments required (new demand plus depletion) are running at around 7%/y, while the largest supply increments in 2006 and 2007 are contributing 3.6% and 3.5%.

"It would seem most unlikely that small projects and infill drilling could account for the remaining required 3.5%. The inescapable conclusion is that oil prices will have to remain high enough to destroy demand, bringing supply and demand back into balance."

http://sydneypeakoil.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=652


Which means, I believe...productive capacity limits production....the bumpy ceiling...

EDIT: ON second reflection, it may not be the actual nominal peak production (amount), but the beginning of sustained demand destruction which accompanies and should precede peak...
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Re: Skrebowski's MegaProjects Update Says: 'Bumpy Plateau'

Unread postby Such » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:27:26

everyone put your helmet on... it's time to bang our heads on the ceiling a few times...
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Re: Skrebowski's MegaProjects Update Says: 'Bumpy Plateau'

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:35:00

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Scream and shout.
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Re: Skrebowski's MegaProjects Update Says: 'Bumpy Plateau'

Unread postby OilsNotWell » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 20:55:11

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Re: Skrebowski's MegaProjects Update Says: 'Bumpy Plateau'

Unread postby some_guy282 » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 21:56:36

More confirmation of what we've been hearing since the end of last year. By 2007, demand will outstrip supply. If demand keeps growing that is. :?
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Re: Skrebowski's MegaProjects Update Says: 'Bumpy Plateau'

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 19 Oct 2005, 22:40:48

some_guy282 wrote:More confirmation of what we've been hearing since the end of last year. By 2007, demand will outstrip supply. If demand keeps growing that is. :?


Want is what would be nice
Need is what you want to avoid collapse
Demand is what you want AND can afford

Need will outstrip supply
Demand will mimic supply if no supply cushion
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Chris Skrebowski's mega-projects revisited

Unread postby Cynus » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 11:13:17

I was looking back over Chris Skrebowski's mega-projects update. His predictions for the next few years are this:

2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Oil demand 82.1* 83.5* 85.3* 87.0+ 88.8+ 90.5+ 92.3+
Demand
increase 2.9 1.4 1.8 1.7 1.8 1.7 1.8
Supply
increase** 1.1 2.4 3.1 3.1 2.8 2.8 1.5
Opec 0.3 0.9 0.9 0.9 1.0 1.4 0.9
Non-Opec 0.8 1.5 2.1 2.1 1.8 1.4 0.6
5% depletion 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.4 4.5 4.6
Extra volume
required++ 2.3 3.2 3.0 3.0 3.4 3.4 4.9

For 2005 he predicrted a 3.2 mbd shortfall, which means that supply for the year should be 80.3 mbd (83.5 - 3.2). Is there any confirmation of the accuracy of this?
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Re: Chris Skrebowski's mega-projects revisited

Unread postby julianj » Mon 19 Dec 2005, 17:06:09

I went to Chris' latest presentation at the LSE on Dec 14th, and they said they were going to put the presentation online so I didn't take any notes, and it doesn't appear they have done so.

I don't think Chris views his presentation as "final" but a work in progress as new megaprojects appear, and often existing ones slip back in the schedule.

When I find the latest powerpoint I'll post a link.
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Re: Chris Skrebowski's mega-projects revisited

Unread postby julianj » Tue 20 Dec 2005, 16:17:34

Found it!

It's here:

Megaprojects update

It's a pdf file

Page 16 is interesting - it's a Canadian bank's price predictions based on shortfalls in supply
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Megaprojects revision

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 10:48:58

I noticed something fishy about the Oil Megaprojects wiki: so I asked about it at TOD this morning:

Someone asked this in the Talk section of the Wiki Megaprojects page:

How are the production numbers in the summary derived? They often don't match with those I get by adding up the numbers in the detailed tables. e.g.: Brazil 2011, Two projects: 180 kbd + 100 kbd = 280 kbd. Summary says 780 kbd. Iraq 2010, Three projects: 90+100+250=440; Summary says 340.(Lord Gon (talk) 19:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC))


I notice the KSA numbers for 2009 are off as well - summary page says 1645 kb/d but 2009 page only shows 3 projects totaling 575 kb/d. Wuzzup? Does this include holdover from 2008 projects?


Haven't got a reply yet but I notice Khebab is editing the Wiki at the moment. Will keep y'all posted. The contributions for 2008/09 were around 6.5 mb which had my hopes up, after a fashion; I've been telling people more oil might be coming to market soon, possible price drop.

Here are the revised and previous listed numbers for 2008-2011:

5559 4636 5330 3500
6912 6146 3770 4563

Bit of a gain for '10. CERA's 4.5% chews up about 3.8 mb/year, keep in mind.
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Re: Megaprojects revision

Unread postby JohnDenver » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 11:37:54

Accidentally found this data point leaking through a subscription wall:

Fuel oil demand 'halves' in key Asian market
bunkerworld (subscription), UK - 3 hours ago
... on the region’s bunker markets, although Singapore players last week warned of a shortage of storage space as fuel oil inventories continued to grow.

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Unfortunately you have to pay for the rest. :cry:
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Re: Megaprojects revision

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 30 Jun 2008, 13:34:58

How 'bout * Fuel oil demand not likely to pick up?

Asia Products Outlook-Fuel oil demand to be weak

* Tight naphtha supply to persist in Asia

* Fuel oil demand not likely to pick up

* Strong regional buying interest for gas oil stays

SINGAPORE, June 30 (Reuters) - Asia's fuel oil supply glut and stubborn weak demand are anticipated to linger amid the high crude prices, but gas oil buying interest will be strong, thanks to Indonesia, Vietnam and Australia.

ROBUST GAS OIL DEMAND TO OFFSET INCREASING SUPPLIES

- Gas oil and jet supplies in South Korea are expected to grow, as more of SK Energy's crude distillation units restart after their regular maintenance.

- However, the increase in supplies will probably be offset by robust gas oil demand in Indonesia, Vietnam and Australia. - Jet fuel demand, in stark contrast, will be weak, as high fuel costs are forcing some airlines to cut non-profitable routes.


Revised figures for megaprojects, previous numbers on top this time:

2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
6912 6146 3770 4563 5111
5559 4636 5330 3500 3476

2013 2014 2015 2016
1237 0680 0672 0030
1365 1080 0807 0895

2017 2018 2019 2020
0162 0130 0050
0162 0180 0050
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Re: Megaprojects revision

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 03 Jul 2008, 02:03:01

Perhaps I prompted Khebab: Oil Megaproject Update (July 2008)

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Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 09:17:15

In case you haven't seen these articles/graphs, here is a roundup of bottom-up analysis of the short term production outlook, courtesy of the gang over at TOD.

The main page is at Wikipedia: Oil Megaprojects.

The latest detailed examination is Oil Megaproject Update (July 2008). This chart neatly sums up the situation:

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This is based on a 4.5% decline rate, which was announced in the CERA study from early this year: CERA : News: Press Releases: No Evidence of Precipitous Fall on Horizon for World Oil Production: Global 4.5% Decline Rate Means No Near-Term Peak

From the press release:

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (January 17, 2008) – The missing link for understanding the future of world oil supply – a solidly based view of oil field decline rates – has now been filled by a new field-by-field analysis of production data by Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA) and IHS Inc. The aggregate global decline rate is 4.5 percent, rather than the eight percent cited in many studies, based upon CERA’s analysis of the production characteristics of 811 separate oil fields.

“Some of the more gloomy, pessimistic ‘peak oil’ views about the future of oil supplies that are current today result from an assumption of high decline rates,” said CERA Oil Industry Activity Director Peter M. Jackson, author of the Finding the Critical Numbers report. “This new analysis provides the basis for more confidence about the future availability of oil.

“The absence of definitive, comprehensive analysis of production timelines and decline rates has led to widely differing estimates of the potential future availability of oil: an information vacuum that has contributed to the ‘peak oil’ theory of future liquids production capacity,” he added. “We hope that this study will contribute to a more informed understanding of the issues, both below ground and above ground.’’


This garnered a lot of puzzled responses in the peak oil camp, since a detailed bottom-up examination also suggests it will be quite difficult to overcome even a 4.5% decline. 8% was mentioned as a possiblity by Schlumberger's CEO at some point; many in the peak oil camp had considered lower declines, like 2% based on Hubbert Linerization. Recent statements from the IEA suggest they believe the decline will be higher, specifically 5.2%:

Supply growth deriving from a concentration of new project start-ups during 2008-2010, allied to weaker economic growth, sees potential spare capacity rise in excess of 4 mb/d. However, this expansion slows from 2011 onwards when global demand growth recovers, leading to a narrowing of spare capacity to minimal levels by 2013. Since the 2007 MTOMR, significant downward revisions have been made to both non-OPEC supplies and OPEC capacity forecasts. Project delays averaging 12 months, coupled with global average decline of 5.2% - up from 4% last year – are the factors behind these revisions. Over 3.5 mb/d of new production will be needed each year just to hold global production steady. “Our findings highlight again the need for sustained, and indeed, increased investment both upstream and downstream -- to assure that the market is adequately supplied,” stated Mr. Tanaka.


3.5 mb/d is as much as Mexico produced in 2006, to put things into perspective. The IEA will release their new bottom-up study in November.

The July update on Megaprojects also included a set of charts showing how the forecast had changed with time, with delays and cutback manifesting themselves. This was animated by member rethin:

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As the summary chart shows, 2007 actually yielded a net loss, which may have contributed to the recent price run up. It also shows higher gains for the next 3 years, which is why I'm not concerned about shortages for now, barring an extra vicious hurricane season or a major producer suddenly going offline. The delay involved in developing new projects means that to overcome the mild declines in 2011/12 we should be hearing announcements of major projects in the works now. The major declines experienced thereafter are even more alarming. A tally of new production announcements would be a worthy thread, along the lines of the discoveries catalog.
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby mkwin » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:04:04

It is a great project. TOD have done a couple of related items and there is a trend for the supply to be registered on average 3 years before delivery. So that dramatic drop of from 2011 onwards may not be any where near as bad.

It does not include small projects and infill drilling so there is a little bit more on top.

It is, however, very useful for short to medium term planning.
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby JustaGirl » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 15:08:57

I have a noob question. Does the decline in existing fields remain constant even if demand/production drops(although that seems very unlikely)? For example, if a worldwide recession were to happen and demand in all countries drops, will the 4.5-5.2% decline remain at that level, or would it drop to 4% or something lower?
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby copious.abundance » Wed 13 Aug 2008, 22:47:34

I've noticed the Oil Megaprojects website only catalogs the following figures for Tupi:

2009: 30K bpd (pilot)
2010: 70K bpd (full test)
2013: 200K bpd (regular production)

Yet Petrobras has said that 1 million bpd is not out of reach from Tupi. That tells me there is a lot more likely to be added after 2013, and possibly beforehand.

Then there are the other recent Brazilian discoveries which aren't anywhere in the Oil Megaprojects list yet (Caricoa, Sugar Loaf, etc.).

There's a lot more to be added after 2012 or thereabouts (and not just Brazil). It just hasn't been planned and announced yet.
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby TheDude » Thu 14 Aug 2008, 01:51:51

JustaGirl - the rate will likely accelerate as more declining production comes from offshore fields, which are worked harder due to high operating costs, and decline faster as a result. We are seeing this now with Cantarell in Mexico, which is exhibiting double digit decline. This is also due to the tertiary recovery using nitrogen, and perhaps also due to lack of skill or investment on Pemex's part.

Whether Tupi will produce the ca. 250 kb/d to maintain flat production in 2011/12 remains to be seen. Delays are affecting projects industrywide; you have regional imbalances to compensate for - some estimates for Mexico expect them to cease exports in as little as 2 years, which is a 1.2 mb/d shortfall for the US to overcome right there. Demand will continue its inexorable rise as well, especially in nations like Mexico and KSA where cheap subsidized fuel is considered a birthright. The same phenomenon could overtake Brazil as its production and revenues spike. With an attendant rise in living standards will anybody want to continue toiling away with a machete harvesting sugarcane?

I notice Brazil is among the countries avidly purchasing petroleum products from the US now, too. What the sum value of all their products will be by 2018 is anybody's guess. It will be interesting to see how fast they think they can ramp up these pre-salt projects. As the chart shows the net decline for 2013 is quite steep - 2.3 mb/d or so. That's a lot of drilling, and on the back of all of KSA's big projects too.
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby JustaGirl » Thu 14 Aug 2008, 17:12:54

Thanks Dude. That is grim news :(
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Re: Megaproject Forecasts

Unread postby MD » Thu 14 Aug 2008, 17:20:50

Great thread, thanks.
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