MonteQuest wrote:Carlhole wrote: If your too much of a chicken to buy or sell a few shares, you can at least check the stock now and then, but it encompasses the Cornucopian/Doomer argument very nicely, don't you think?
Investments require growth.
Quinny wrote:Nahnah nahnana. Double dare.
Chldish response. Grow up.
Energy experts say China wind power is expected to adopt a “NUMBER ONE STATUS ” during the year
Http://www.chinafengji.net/year2009 14, 08: 24 Jiefang Daily
China fan network year2009 14â 日讯
(China wind power) will pass over Spain and Germany and approach the United States, China express a “Shan Xia Wind Power” grand plan.
Domestic wind energy has become the largest hydro-energy outside of zero emissions, renewable energy resources. The latest data indicate that by 2009 the total installed capacity of wind power generation in China could more than 26 million kW, has doubled since last year, and the fourth possible steps into the second. This is the energy experts yesterday in a comprehensive look at renewable energy “ ” climate change report media study class on the.
At present, China is still a major force for energy in the form of coal and energy role up to 70%, 8% of greenhouse gas emissions. But according to conitibution, to 2050 years, coal energy much cut in half, the proportion of renewable energy is booming, almost 30%, it became the mainstream of energy. In the six forms of renewable energy: hydro-energy, wind energy, solar energy, biomass energy, tidal, geothermal energy, the non-water-the fastest growing renewable energy, wind energy in particular.
Statistics show that
The third consecutive year that China has become the world's most active wind power market. In 2008, the installed capacity of wind power of the national new 6.3 million kW, with total reached 1220 million kW, beyond India, second only to the United States, Germany, Spain. This year, with a total capacity is expected to be $ 2630 million kW, with 215â% growth, leadership in Germany, Spain and the United States last year million kW of an acceptable standard. Shanghai Institute of mechanical and power engineering professor Yu Yue-feng said, next year China wind power installed capacity will continue to maintain high growth may tie even overtaking the United States...
What? You think there might be no limits to growth?Carlhole wrote:if you are right.
Those who have their doubts about anthropogenic climate change can apply the identical logic to the industrial world’s sustained nonresponse to the peaking of world oil production, or to any of half a dozen other global crises that result from the collision between an economy geared to infinite growth and the relentless limits of a finite planet. In each case, the immediate costs of doing something about the issue are so high, and so unendurable, that very few people in positions of influence are willing to stick their necks out, and those who do so can count on being shortened by a head by others who are more than willing to cash in on their folly.
I really think comments like this illustrate the huge problem we face in avoiding collapse. They show a complete lack of understanding about limits though do explain the problem quite well. There is always a growth opportunity somewhere, isn't there? And there alway will be, won't there?Carlhole wrote:So what is the market deciding about the Peak Oil debate? Follow the money. And lately, the money is interested in renewables. There is no sense of hopelessness at all in the broader investment community. Rather, there is a sense of opportunity and challenge on behalf of both private enterprise and government in China.
TonyPrep wrote:What? You think there might be no limits to growth?Carlhole wrote:if you are right.
Monte is right to raise the subject again. Limits to Growth was villified unfairly and made no specifically dated predictions.
TonyPrep wrote:I really think comments like this illustrate the huge problem we face in avoiding collapse. They show a complete lack of understanding about limits though do explain the problem quite well. There is always a growth opportunity somewhere, isn't there? And there alway will be, won't there?Carlhole wrote:So what is the market deciding about the Peak Oil debate? Follow the money. And lately, the money is interested in renewables. There is no sense of hopelessness at all in the broader investment community. Rather, there is a sense of opportunity and challenge on behalf of both private enterprise and government in China.
MonteQuest wrote:TonyPrep wrote:I really think comments like this illustrate the huge problem we face in avoiding collapse. They show a complete lack of understanding about limits though do explain the problem quite well. There is always a growth opportunity somewhere, isn't there? And there alway will be, won't there?Carlhole wrote:So what is the market deciding about the Peak Oil debate? Follow the money. And lately, the money is interested in renewables. There is no sense of hopelessness at all in the broader investment community. Rather, there is a sense of opportunity and challenge on behalf of both private enterprise and government in China.
Yes, the Obsolete Playbook that envisions one can always make money without actually working for it. Those days are numbered. And the value of the money from the short position is in question as well.
I think so. Of course many others are aware of the arguments but look at what the establishment is telling them. Within the horizon that interests them most, there is no problem, so they extrapolate that out. If there is no problem that far out then who know what wonderful inventions there might be to solve our problems, enabling BAU for ever.Carlhole wrote:So you think that members of PeakOil.com perceive reality so much better than the broad market? I think not.
TonyPrep wrote: Following the money is a doomed strategy because the money goes to where it's felt the most return is possible. That is, it is based on an assumption of no limits.
It is that assumption that ensures collapse.
MonteQuest wrote:TonyPrep wrote: Following the money is a doomed strategy because the money goes to where it's felt the most return is possible. That is, it is based on an assumption of no limits.
It is that assumption that ensures collapse.
Spot on, Tony. +1
Outcast_Searcher wrote:MonteQuest wrote:TonyPrep wrote: Following the money is a doomed strategy because the money goes to where it's felt the most return is possible. That is, it is based on an assumption of no limits.
It is that assumption that ensures collapse.
Spot on, Tony. +1
It seems to me that certain investments could do astoundingly well, even if on average, investments in overall growth (i.e. stocks) do terribly. For example, if energy efficiency becomes paramount, then Buffett's recent railroad purchase is likely to perform rather well, especially compared to trucking and airlines. ...
Outcast_Searcher wrote:LESS chosen carefully may be MUCH better
I suspect that when we really are racing down the rollercoaster in the present tense, and experiencing each milestone, one blow after the next, up close and personal, that a lot of that false positivity about how much better life would be after TSHTF will dissolve. Perhaps the only thing that will really satisfy me is not feeling like Chicken Little anymore, no longer having to suffer in silence.
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