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THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread (merged)

Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 06 Jul 2011, 23:30:33

lowem wrote:bloomberg.com :

Lloyds Banking Group Plc (LLOY), Britain’s biggest mortgage lender, will cut 15,000 jobs and reduce costs by an additional 1.5 billion pounds ($2.4 billion) as it withdraws from overseas units and increases its U.K. focus. The shares soared the most in more than a year.

Most of the job losses will come in the U.K. as a result of cuts to management functions and by centralizing some roles, the London-based bank said in a statement. The bank also plans to withdraw from more than 15 of its 30 overseas units.


Now, would that be just a blip, or the start of the next wave of mass layoffs?


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Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 06 Jul 2011, 23:34:22

lowem wrote:In other news, HSBC has been looking for 2000 new hires in Singapore and Hong Kong area. If you have some of the specific skillsets the banks are looking for (Java/J2EE, transaction handling, trading systems, IT security etc.), pay raises of 20% or sometimes even better can be found in the financial sector. Of course it's a hire-and-fire industry, which I have got an issue with myself, so I'm not exactly looking to go in. I probably could, if I wanted to, as IT security is a pretty hot area at the moment.

Of course there are other aspects to this industry but I'd best keep my opinions on these off the boards :) though I do know of quite a number of ex-colleagues who have gone and joined the banks and are doing ok so far. Sorry to say, but in this age there is still some colonial thinking around if you know what I mean, westerners are very much welcome. Something to think about if you are looking for a job / better job.


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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread (merged)

Unread postby lowem » Wed 06 Jul 2011, 23:53:17

Pretorian wrote:How much does it cost to rent and maintain a 3000 sq ft house with a decent yard overthere?


If you really must know, depending on location, maybe around SGD $12,000+ per month. Or USD $10,000 thereabouts. The landed houses are for the more well-off. The rest of us live in apartments, like these :)

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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread (merged)

Unread postby lowem » Tue 12 Jul 2011, 08:46:54

bloomberg.com :

Cisco Systems, the largest networking-equipment company, may cut as many as 10,000 jobs, or about 14 percent of its workforce, to revive profit growth, according to two people familiar with the plans. The cuts include as many as 7,000 jobs that would be eliminated by the end of August, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the plans aren’t final. Cisco is also providing early-retirement packages to about 3,000 workers who accepted buyouts, the people said.


Well this thread might be getting a bit busy again.

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Unread postby peeker01 » Mon 18 Jul 2011, 21:16:30

Wait for it........1994 data showing the foolishness of mankind.
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Unread postby dohboi » Mon 18 Jul 2011, 21:30:07

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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby pstarr » Tue 19 Jul 2011, 01:28:15

What's your point doughboy? Chinidia population density is quite stunning, but what does that have to do with PO and employment rates?
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 19 Jul 2011, 10:42:10

It's usually everyone else who is shouting how it all boils down to population. I think that is overly simplistic, but those in China and India are going to want to use oil and to be employed. There will be huge pressures to accept more and more climate and famine refugees as things go south.
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Unread postby pstarr » Tue 19 Jul 2011, 10:50:57

dohboi wrote:It's usually everyone else who is shouting how it all boils down to population. I think that is overly simplistic, but those in China and India are going to want to use oil and to be employed. There will be huge pressures to accept more and more climate and famine refugees as things go south.
How will they get across the Pacific? They'll have a hard time swimming. I don't think the Princess Cruise ships have steerage class these days.
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby lowem » Thu 21 Jul 2011, 07:46:53

reuters.com :

Cisco Systems plans to cut 15 percent of its jobs and sell a factory as part of a plan to cut annual expenses by $1 billion as the network equipment maker tries to revive its fortunes. The cuts are deeper than what financial analysts expected. The company said on Monday that it will cut 11,500 jobs, compared with the several thousand that analysts predicted. The cuts come after Cisco's chief executive John Chambers said in April that the company lost its way.


This is even higher than the 10,000 cuts that were rumoured just a few days before the official announcement. Something ugly this way comes.
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 17:28:07

HSBC to slash 30,000 jobs as revenue stagnates
LONDON (MarketWatch ) — HSBC Holdings PLC said Monday it is slashing around 30,000 jobs to cut costs and revamp its business, as the banking giant follows through on a May plan to withdraw from some countries and refocus its operations on high-growth markets.

On top of 5,000 jobs already under the axe in the U.S., U.K., France, Latin America and Middle East, around 25,000 further roles will be cut between now and 2013, Chief Executive Stuart Gulliver told reporters. He said the bank is still hiring in some countries, though, and that the net headcount reduction could be much smaller.
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Gulliver in May presented a strategic plan for the bank to shave up to $3.5 billion from its annual cost base by 2013, exit retail banking in some countries and tap a growing base of wealthy consumers in target markets.

So far, the bank has said it will stop offering retail banking in Russia and Poland, and has started reorganizing its operations in several other countries.

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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby jdmartin » Thu 04 Aug 2011, 13:44:03

How come this thread isn't stickied like the earlier thread?
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THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 05 Jan 2012, 09:20:57

FYI:
Boeing to close plant in Wichita by 2013
The Boeing Co. announced Wednesday it plans to close its Wichita, Kan., manufacturing plant by the end of 2013. As 2,160 employees lose their jobs, aircraft production will be transferred to Boeing facilities in Texas, Oklahoma and the Puget Sound area. The net gain of jobs in the Puget Sound region will be minimal – 200 jobs to begin, with the number diminishing as production continues – and officials anticipate that most positions will be filled in Everett and perhaps at Boeing Field south of downtown Seattle. …
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Full list of Sears, Kmart stores closing
Sears Holdings Corp. this week announced it plans to close up to 120 Sears and Kmart stores across the country, and on Thursday released the full list of locations for dozens of stores slated for closing as part of the first wave of closures. …
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby KingM » Thu 05 Jan 2012, 09:50:27

I don't understand what this has to do with "worldwide layoffs." This doesn't seem to be anything outside the normal pattern.
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 05 Jan 2012, 17:23:06

... sigh ... I know that some people don't think so, but the US IS part of the world; and, it is not that it is out of the norm, the point is the well-known companies that are shutting down.
That, is spite of the cheery employment numbers that came out today (HLN), there are not only a lot of people out-of-work, now there will be thousands more.
Since I haven't seen the numbers yet, I won't go into explaining the reduction numbers of military personnel that was mentioned today in the "reducing the US military" stories.
Can I explain anything else for you? :)
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby KingM » Fri 06 Jan 2012, 10:04:07

Ferretlover wrote:Can I explain anything else for you? :)


Yes, please. How is this different from the mass layoffs that occur every year? Companies--even huge ones--come and go. K-Mart dying is a function of Wal-mart's cancerous growth, not an indication of the weakness of the retail sector.

As for worldwide, the US is picking up, China is slowing down, Europe is in trouble, India seems to be doing well, and most of the middle income countries like Turkey, Brazil, Peru, and Morocco, are booming. I don't see a pattern, except that developing countries have had a very good decade and wealthy countries have not.
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Unread postby Timo » Fri 06 Jan 2012, 10:33:42

Macy's and Bloomingdales are closing a bunch of stores, too.

Looking at this from the non-doomer POV, one could simply conclude that the old adage that the bigger they grow, the harder they collapse. All major empires and civilizations collapsed, theoretically - at least, because they grew too big to be able to adequately defend themselves. Apply the same logic to capitalism. Capitalism requires competition, and a great number of businesses now have grown too big to sustain their operations in light of equally strong competition. They're scaling back their operations in order to avoid a complete collapse. Maybe the Roman Empire would have hung on if they'd've employed this philosophy. Maybe not. I wasn't there and don't know exactly what was going on at the time. But, we can easily see that Boeing grew (perhaps) too dependent on government contracts, and every single Tea Partier and almost every Republican (and even some Democrats) recognizes that the Government is too big. Hence, the big, mighty giant of government is starting to contract, and that contraction takes with it a whole lot of jobs that went along with it. Extrapolate the spin-off effects of this contraction, and there is a lot less money in the economy for people to spend, which affects the retail giants, all of whom have developed their own planetary gravitation pull for consumer dollars. Hence, they contract, too, in order to prevent collapsing completely. Now, the non-doomer would look at all of this going on and come to the conclusion that the goods and services provided by those mega-giants won't disappear, and whereas those giants killed off countless mom-n-pop local businesses, the die-off of the giants leaves an opening for local economies to re-emerge, thus reducing the total number of unemployed. Now, i'm not saying these layoffs are at good thing, at least not initially, but hese layoffs might be the beginning of an actual, sustainable economic balance. Things got too big to sustain, and the contractions might just be a good thing in the long term, meaning that the resulting level of economic activity might be more sustainable for everyone. Only time will tell.
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Duende » Sat 07 Jan 2012, 10:28:11

Timo wrote:
Now, i'm not saying these layoffs are at good thing, at least not initially, but these layoffs might be the beginning of an actual, sustainable economic balance. Things got too big to sustain, and the contractions might just be a good thing in the long term, meaning that the resulting level of economic activity might be more sustainable for everyone. Only time will tell.

You have aptly expressed the progression described by John Michael Greer in "The Long Descent". The concept is that rising economic activity leads to spikes in energy use beyond a sustainable level. Then, economic activity drops down a step and muddles along sideways for awhile until energy inputs decline along with it. This in turn causes another step collapse in economic activity. Rinse and repeat. This downward step progression continues until energy inputs can sustainably support a given level of economic activity. No one knows exactly where that steady state level is at, but I suspect this process has a ways to go. There's plenty of downward action left ahead of us.
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Re: THE Let the worldwide layoffs begin Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Mon 02 Apr 2012, 00:47:13

Looks like there are a few temporary jobs in Australia if you have skills and dont mind an isolated, stinking hot or humid environment.
United States construction workers will be encouraged to work in Australia in a bid to address Australian skill shortages and US unemployment levels.
Senator Evans said that the need for extra construction workers in civil and heavy engineering trades was temporary - with demand likely to peak over the next three to five years - for mining and infrastructure projects. He said the government was wary of training up large numbers of Australians who would then be left unemployed when the peak subsided.
US Ambassador to Australia Jeffrey Bleich said that unemployment in the US was currently at about 8.3 per cent.
"This is a real win-win for both of our nations," he said. "No job will be taken away from Australians."


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