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Re: Guardian - Iran attacks Iraq

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 01:00:35

...a deputy minister in the Kurdistan regional government, said...

I would treat with caution.
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Re: Guardian - Iran attacks Iraq

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 01:15:02

"Analysts believe PJAK is the fastest growing armed resistance group in Iran. As well as the 3,000 or so members under arms in the mountains, it also claims tens of thousands of followers in secret cells in Iranian Kurdistan. Its campaigning on women's rights has struck a chord with young Iranian Kurdish women. The group says 45% of its fighters are female. Iranian authorities regard the group as a terrorist outfit being sponsored and armed by the US to increase pressure on Iran."


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Re: Guardian - Iran attacks Iraq

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 10:17:58

http://www.guardian.co.uk

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Re: Guardian - Iran attacks Iraq

Unread postby dorlomin » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 11:16:26

That is one very unquite border and the US has been piling money into various Kurdish 'resistance' groups and sponsoring attacks inside Iran.

Only a couple of weeks ago Turkey was poised to invade Iraq. This is not news, the fact it has become news is the news...... it seems like someone is stirring the anti Iranian pot again.
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6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 28 Aug 2007, 19:03:04

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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Offshore » Tue 28 Aug 2007, 19:14:20

Probably agents of Halliburton.
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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Roccland » Tue 28 Aug 2007, 20:46:13

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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Bas » Tue 28 Aug 2007, 21:01:36

Offshore wrote:Probably agents of Halliburton.


since Halliburton illigally conducted business with Iran, you might not be so far off base.
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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby burtonridr » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 00:23:08

We supply Israel with military advancements and protection, Their air force is made up almost entirely of the retired US fighter jets. Im friends with someone that was born over there and lived there for half his life. People in israel generally like Americans. Its probably a big reason why a lot of other countries around there dont like us. We are protecting Israel and they dont like it because they feel the land was taken un-rightfully from Pakistan(I think) during one of the many recent wars over there.
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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Denny » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 19:37:11

Actyually, isn't it a good thing that there are Iranians who want to do a straight up business? Even it you think Iran stinks as a coutnry, jsut like China, if they are providing valuable goods or services, how is Iraq the loser?

And, when I come to the line which describes that the arresting ofieers found baggage and a laptop case, well they don't sound so much different than American businessmen in Mexico. If they found caches of AK-47's or drugs, that would be a whole different story.

Is the United States telling its adopted child, Iraq, who it is safe to play with in the neighborhood?
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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Bas » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 19:43:18

did nobody notice that these Iranians have been released, because they were there on invitation of the Iraqi government? (they were representatives of the Iranian government department for Energy)

Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini called the U.S. action an act of ``interference'' in Iraq's internal affairs and ``inconsistent'' with the responsibilities of U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq.


Saadi Othman, an adviser to Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. general in Iraq, told British Broadcasting Corp. television that the incident was ``regrettable'' and had ``nothing to do'' with President Bush's remarks on Tuesday, when he lashed out at Iran for meddling in Iraq's affairs and fomenting instability here.


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Re: 6 Iranians Arrested in Iraq

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 30 Aug 2007, 19:50:31

Bas wrote:did nobody notice that these Iranians have been released, because they were there on invitation of the Iraqi government? (they were representatives of the Iranian government department for Energy)

I noticed it yesterday but didn't feel it merited a comment. I thought this thread would sink. Yes, they were electrical energy experts invited to talk about reconstruction. BBC story. Two diplomats, two pistols. Wow, no shit. Seen what Western satellite news crews had tag along a couple of years ago when they still drove around alone?
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Iran to go for Iraq's Oil

Unread postby KevO » Sun 02 Mar 2008, 09:47:33

hopfully the Us will protect the wells until Iran takes over
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March 2 (Xinhua) -- Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad-Ali Hosseini announced on Sunday that Iran and Iraq are to review the issue of the two countries' joint oil wells, the official IRNA news agency reported.

He told reporters during his weekly press briefing that a joint committee, to be formed in the next two months, will discuss the joint oil wells issue.

On the activities of Mujahideen Khalq Organization (MKO) members in Iraq, he said that the MKO members should leave Iraq according to the decision made by the Iraqi government.

As to Iran's allocation of a one-billion-dollar loan to Iraq, he said the amount will be spent on projects being carried out by Iranian companies.

The Foreign Ministry spokesman also pointed out that the current visit of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Iraq is an indication of Iran's honesty in supporting the Iraqi government.

The objective of Ahmadinejad's visit is to create convergence among regional states and to prevent interference of foreign states in domestic affairs of the regional countries, he added.



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Re: Iran to go for Iraq's Oil

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 02 Mar 2008, 13:45:58

I posted some months ago, early in 2007, that Iraq and Iran had made a number of energy deals. The most surprising one is that gasoline short Iran was building a new refinery for oil shipped form Iraq, and then the oil products would be shipped back to Iraq and not used in Iran. However that later made some sense as Iran is shifting vehicles to use NG instead of gasoline.

Even with the new agreements, Iraq is still very short of oil products and requires a lot of imports - as its refinery capacity is very limited.
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Looking back: The Iran–Iraq Tanker War, 1984-87

Unread postby TheDude » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 09:47:05

Just a refresher, for those unaware of what went on - which involved all the Gulf states - and for that matter, shipping from most any country passing through. Imagine the screaming headlines they must have had on ARPANET or BBSs!

Iran - Iraq War (1980-1988)

In March 1984, the tanker war entered its second phase when Iraq initiated sustained naval operations in its self-declared 1,126-kilometer maritime exclusion zone, extending from the mouth of the Shatt al Arab to Iran's port of Bushehr. In 1981 Baghdad had attacked Iranian ports and oil complexes as well as neutral tankers and ships sailing to and from Iran; in 1984 Iraq expanded the so-called tanker war by using French Super-Etendard combat aircraft armed with Exocet missiles.

In March 1984 an Iraqi Super Etendard fired an Exocet missile at a Greek tanker south of Khark Island. Until the March assault, Iran had not intentionally attacked civilian ships in the Gulf.Neutral merchant ships became favorite targets, and the long-range Super-Etendards flew sorties farther south. Seventy-one merchant ships were attacked in 1984 alone, compared with forty-eight in the first three years of the war. Iraq's motives in increasing the tempo included a desire to break the stalemate, presumably by cutting off Iran's oil exports and by thus forcing Tehran to the negotiating table. Repeated Iraqi efforts failed to put Iran's main oil exporting terminal at Khark Island out of commission, however.

The new wave of Iraqi assaults, however, led Iran to reciprocate. In April 1984, Tehran launched its first attack against civilian commercial shipping by shelling an Indian freighter. Iran attacked a Kuwaiti oil tanker near Bahrain on May 13 and then a Saudi tanker in Saudi waters five days later, making it clear that if Iraq continued to interfere with Iran's shipping, no Gulf state would be safe. Most observers considered that Iraqi attacks, however, outnumbered Iranian assaults by three to one. Iran's retaliatory attacks were largely ineffective because a limited number of aircraft equipped with long-range antiship missiles and ships with long-range surface-to-surface missiles were deployed. Moreover, despite repeated Iranian threats to close the Strait of Hormuz, Iran itself depended on the sea-lanes for vital oil exports.

These sustained attacks cut Iranian oil exports in half, reduced shipping in the Gulf by 25 percent, led Lloyd's of London to increase its insurance rates on tankers, and slowed Gulf oil supplies to the rest of the world; moreover, the Saudi decision in 1984 to shoot down an Iranian Phantom jet intruding in Saudi territorial waters played an important role in ending both belligerents' attempts to internationalize the tanker war. Iraq and Iran accepted a 1984 UN-sponsored moratorium on the shelling of civilian targets, and Tehran later proposed an extension of the moratorium to include Gulf shipping, a proposal the Iraqis rejected unless it were to included their own Gulf ports.

Iraq began ignoring the moratorium soon after it went into effect and stepped up its air raids on tankers serving Iran and Iranian oil-exporting facilities in 1986 and 1987, attacking even vessels that belonged to the conservative Arab states of the Persian Gulf. Iran responded by escalating its attacks on shipping serving Arab ports in the Gulf. As Kuwaiti vessels made up a large portion of the targets in these retaliatory raids, the Kuwaiti government sought protection from the international community in the fall of 1986. The Soviet Union responded first, agreeing to charter several Soviet tankers to Kuwait in early 1987. Washington, which has been approached first by Kuwait and which had postponed its decision, eventually followed Moscow's lead. United States involvement was sealed by the May 17, 1987, Iraqi missile attack on the USS Stark, in which thirtyseven crew members were killed. Baghdad apologized and claimed that the attack was a mistake. Ironically, Washington used the Stark incident to blame Iran for escalating the war and sent its own ships to the Gulf to escort eleven Kuwaiti tankers that were "reflagged" with the American flag and had American crews. Iran refrained from attacking the United States naval force directly, but it used various forms of harassment, including mines, hit-and-run attacks by small patrol boats, and periodic stop-and-search operations. On several occasions, Tehran fired its Chinese-made Silkworm missiles on Kuwait from Al Faw Peninsula. When Iranian forces hit the reflagged tanker Sea Isle City in October 1987, Washington retaliated by destroying an oil platform in the Rostam field and by using the United States Navy's Sea, Air, and Land (SEAL) commandos to blow up a second one nearby.


And there's more, I didn't want to quote the whole thing and add too much clutter. Pretty insane stuff.
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Re: Looking back: The Iran–Iraq Tanker War, 1984-87

Unread postby pedalling_faster » Wed 20 Aug 2008, 10:21:02

TheDude wrote:And there's more, I didn't want to quote the whole thing and add too much clutter. Pretty insane stuff.


yes, and much of it promoted/ instigated by the "democracy supporting" US of A, kind of like a playground mega-bully setting up 2 junior bullies to fight each other.
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Iranian imperialism in Iraq

Unread postby Denny » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 23:58:45

Don't the Iranians realize they have no place sticking their nose in Iraq's business?

See CNN: Evidence of Iranian meddling

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States has new intelligence indicating Iran is reorganizing in an effort to assert its influence inside Iraq and may be behind several recent attacks, according to a senior U.S. official who spoke with CNN Monday.

The information underscores a view by Gen. David Petraeus, who assumes command of U.S. Central Command later this month, and Gen. Raymond Odierno that progress in Iraq remains fragile and that it is too soon for a major additional U.S. troop drawdown.

Odierno, who took over for Petraeus as the top U.S. military official in Iraq, told the Washington Post on Sunday that intelligence reports indicated Iran was bribing Iraqi officials in an attempt to undermine the status-of-forces agreement between the United States and Iraq.

But, the general said, he had no proof of the bribes.

The senior official described overall Iranian efforts as a "reorganization" rather than a "resurgence." As a result of the U.S. troop surge, many Iranian-backed fighters in Iraq fled back across the border. U.S. intelligence believes some fighters may have come back into Iraq, but most are still in Iran."


All I can say, it is too bad that Iran cannot learn from history, and pattern itself after the experience of the United States, which has done so much, in places like the Middle East and Latin America, to selflessly promote self determination and avoid unwanted interference with the internal policies of these independent nations. :P
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Re: Iranian imperialism in Iraq

Unread postby Magus » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 18:22:48

Denny wrote:Don't the Iranians realize they have no place sticking their nose in Iraq's business?


Step 1: Cut the word "Iranians" from your statement and insert Americans in its place.

Step 2: Use your mad critical thinking skills to ponder the implications of this newly formed statement.

Step 3: ?

Step 4: Profit.


All I can say, it is too bad that Iran cannot learn from history, and pattern itself after the experience of the United States, which has done so much, in places like the Middle East and Latin America, to selflessly promote self determination and avoid unwanted interference with the internal policies of these independent nations. :P


Too true, too true. Why, if only the Iranians could follow Americas shining example, they too could be experience the joys of complete systemic collapse! Yay!

If only there were some way for us to show them the error of their ways...perhaps another patented "reigme change" is in order? :roll:
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Iran troops seize Iraq oil well !

Unread postby KevO » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 13:01:38

oh oh

Whilst Obama's away...etc


Iranian troops have entered southern Iraqi territory and taken control of an oil well, reports say.
An Iraqi official played down the incident, saying the area was abandoned and right on a disputed border section.
Iranian soldiers crossed the border and raised an Iranian flag over the Fakkah oil field, a US military spokesman told the AFP news agency.
Iraq's Deputy Interior Minister confirmed the Iranians stayed in Iraq and were in control of the well.
Earlier it was reported that they had withdrawn back across the border.
Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji initially told the Reuters news agency the reports of the Iranian incursion were not true.
But Mr Khafaji later confirmed the incursion had taken place, and said 11 Iranians had dug-in at the oil well and had not left.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8420774.stm
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Re: Iran troops seize Iraq oil well !

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 18 Dec 2009, 13:04:28

I saw this headline in red on Drudge and thought "uh-oh." But then after reading about it, it appears this sort of thing has been going on for a long time. And yet, if it's "no big deal" then why is the Iraqi government having an emergency meeting? It's a little confusing.. on the one hand, Iraqi "forces are waiting for orders," while on the other hand the US military says "nothingburger, this happens all the time."
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