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THE Iran Thread pt 4 (merged)

Discussions related to the global politics of energy use and acquisition.

Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:29:14

mos6507 wrote:It would be nice to see an Orange Revolution in Iran, but I really think this is gonna blow over in a couple weeks and that will be that.

The only thing I can say is that I think there probably wouldn't have been as much support for moderate candidates if McCain were president. Iran has backed itself into a corner with the international community and Obama provides iran with a face-saving way out that never would have been possible with Bush or McCain. That's got to start looking appealing to the average Iranian who is seeing their quality of life steadily degrade.


So, Obama gets his lackey? :lol:
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:33:13

dunewalker wrote:They've got more guts than the American people, who voted for change and instead got more of the same.


I'm so tired of this worn out slogan. There HAS been change. That it hasn't been the change you or others want is immaterial.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:34:08

mos6507 wrote:
dunewalker wrote:They've got more guts than the American people, who voted for change and instead got more of the same.


I'm so tired of this worn out slogan. There HAS been change. That it hasn't been the change you or others want is immaterial.



From white to black. Change............ :P
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:35:25

vision-master wrote:So, Obama gets his lackey? :lol:


You don't have a very good memory. If we had Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran in the white house, WWIII probably would have already broken out instead of Obama being treated like a rock star in Cairo.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby dunewalker » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:40:46

mos6507 wrote:
dunewalker wrote:They've got more guts than the American people, who voted for change and instead got more of the same.


I'm so tired of this worn out slogan. There HAS been change. That it hasn't been the change you or others want is immaterial.


Maybe you could remind us of the changes we've gotten that have significantly improved the lot or outlook, or more importantly, the individual freedom, of Americans.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby hardtootell-2 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:49:21

dunewalker wrote:
mos6507 wrote:
dunewalker wrote:They've got more guts than the American people, who voted for change and instead got more of the same.


I'm so tired of this worn out slogan. There HAS been change. That it hasn't been the change you or others want is immaterial.


Maybe you could remind us of the changes we've gotten that have significantly improved the lot or outlook, or more importantly, the individual freedom, of Americans.


Freedom? Probably no one knows what you are talking about. :(
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 08:52:33

mos6507 wrote:
vision-master wrote:So, Obama gets his lackey? :lol:


You don't have a very good memory. If we had Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran in the white house, WWIII probably would have already broken out instead of Obama being treated like a rock star in Cairo.


It's NOT in the 'best interests of the USA' to have the Ayatollah in power, correct? :mrgreen:
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby RdSnt » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 10:24:35

I wonder how much the US spent of this Orange, no wait, Velvet, ah no that's not it, oh yeah Green revolution.
It's surprising how people will piss on MSM when the message isn't what they want, but will accept it whole-cloth when it's to their liking.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 10:28:27

dunewalker wrote:Maybe you could remind us of the changes we've gotten that have significantly improved the lot or outlook, or more importantly, the individual freedom, of Americans.


Go read through my blog if you want, where I've compiled everything.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 10:31:08

RdSnt wrote:I wonder how much the US spent of this Orange, no wait, Velvet, ah no that's not it, oh yeah Green revolution.
It's surprising how people will piss on MSM when the message isn't what they want, but will accept it whole-cloth when it's to their liking.


Why does every news story have to lead to rumors of tinfoil?

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Seems like anytime Iran comes up people check their brains at the door.

Lest I remind tinfoilers of...


IRAN CABLE CUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby Katzepfote » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 10:52:35

If these protests don't fade out or are not quickly supressed by TPTB in Iran, how could the instability affect the price of oil? It will be interesting to see what happens to the price per barrel of oil over the next few days. I also wonder what thoughts are running through Benjamin Netayahu's mind right now since you can be sure that the Israelis are watching this situation closely. Which scenario in Iran would make him more or less likely to finally make an attempt to bomb the Iranian nuclear facilities? Supression of the revolts and a return to business as usual or some type of revolution?
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby Taghayee » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 18:07:17

Sixstrings wrote:Big crowds.. looks like the whole city is out protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7zTF1isERI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifgnonH-BU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcGZxQJNUMU

3:28 AM ET -- "There will be blood." I posted below on Trita Parsi's belief that Iran's reformists are "widely assumed" to be planning to challenge Ayatollah Khamenei.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html


Now compare this with the supporters of Ahmadinejad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8099501.stm

This is nothing but frustrations of a minority bunch of hollywoodized kids. And the funny thing is that most of them are western citizens or have permanent residence of western countries.
I'll give it couple of days and if they dont quite down then watch Khameni send a group of the Baseejes that would do away with these clowns in a matter of hours..just like the 1999 event.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby Taghayee » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 18:08:24

americandream wrote:I'm constantly amazed anyone with a working brain puts up with this barbaric, bullshit moon worshipping.

Thats because you are a retarded moron who doesnt know anything past their hate. Btw, you are talking Iran here and not some sub saharan country or society.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 18:32:25

mos6507 wrote:Go read through my blog if you want, where I've compiled everything.

hah! You're not going to let go of that big icy glass of kool-aid no matter what happens are you?

What are you afraid of? It's okay to admit that Obama is a hoax perpetrated on the American people by the same people that brought us George Bush, the Iraq war and the economic collapse.

It doesn't make you a Republican to do so. Don't be so hard on yourself. You made a mistake. Deal with it and move on. The longer you clutch the kool aid, the harder it will be to let go.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby mos6507 » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 18:36:35

seldom_seen wrote:What are you afraid of?


Just because you and a bunch of other guys have an illuminati hangover from BushCo doesn't mean I'm coming along with your Alex Jones Obama Deception ride with you.
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby Taghayee » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 19:08:29

Tanada wrote: A lot of people voted for change and they got more of the same, how did you expect them to react?

The same way the Americans did after Bush's second victory or the Lebanese after the March 14 victory. The problem with the liberal camp in ME is that all is good and peachy and fruity when they win, otherwise its ..................
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Re: Massive protests in Iran, Ayatollah may be deposed

Unread postby Ancient » Mon 15 Jun 2009, 19:17:12

seldom_seen wrote:
mos6507 wrote:Go read through my blog if you want, where I've compiled everything.

hah! You're not going to let go of that big icy glass of kool-aid no matter what happens are you?

What are you afraid of? It's okay to admit that Obama is a hoax perpetrated on the American people by the same people that brought us George Bush, the Iraq war and the economic collapse.

It doesn't make you a Republican to do so. Don't be so hard on yourself. You made a mistake. Deal with it and move on. The longer you clutch the kool aid, the harder it will be to let go.


It's easy to laugh with american perception, but it's kinda cheap. America can't do anything in Iran before checking with Russia and China today. I'm not saying it lacks the military force (although you might say it had a little imperial overstretch during mr bush), but at least they sobered up thanks to Obama and realized that they lack the political ànd economical power.
Iranian attitude will not change a lot with either one of their presidents, but Iran is plugged into the world, the people want a bigger piece of the cake, they simply don't want another war, and more buying power. Not likely to happen when its president thinks he should make a point towards the Western world.
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The Ramifications of The Fall of Iran

Unread postby deMolay » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 10:25:12

Personally I think this is wonderful news for the world. The main state sponsor of terror and murder is coming apart. But what are the worldwide ramifications? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... /#comments
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Re: The Ramifications of The Fall of Iran

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 11:02:22

deMolay wrote:Personally I think this is wonderful news for the world. The main state sponsor of terror and murder is coming apart. But what are the worldwide ramifications? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... /#comments


Iran is the nexus point for the undercutting of the dollar as reserve currency. As long as nations are forced to use the dollar, they are basically financing U.S. aggression. Not a good thing, deMolay, no matter how it's framed in the mainstream media.
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Re: The Ramifications of The Fall of Iran

Unread postby dorlomin » Sat 20 Jun 2009, 11:45:02

deMolay wrote:Personally I think this is wonderful news for the world. The main state sponsor of terror and murder is coming apart. But what are the worldwide ramifications? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... /#comments

My guess is you have not the foggiest clue about the politics of Mousavi, Rasfanjani and the other opposition leaders.
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