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THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 26 Apr 2017, 22:40:05

This is relevant to the thread just in the sense of understanding the timing of the population of the species Homo around the world, and because it is a pretty damn amazing finding, if it holds up to further scrutiny:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature2 ... www.cbc.ca

Evidence of the species Homo in the Americas (San Diego, to be exact) going back somewhere between 120 and 140 thousand years before present!!
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 27 Apr 2017, 06:37:34

I should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, write, balance accounts, build a wall, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, pitch manure, program a computer, cook, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Ibon » Thu 27 Apr 2017, 07:57:10

Tanada wrote:Congratulations!

7,500,600,000

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/



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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby sparky » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 19:07:40

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concentrating the population in a restricted space is called cities
it has happened , is happening now even more , each minute
the human world is now an urban thing , more than half of the world people live in cities ,
more and more of the world people live in mega cities

Cog is right to mention this trend , not as a real thing but as an end point ad absurd
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 19:50:03

We gather in one place to die collectively.

Most of us anyway.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 20:29:49

Anyone here remember die off.org

Just looked at it again, first time in a very loooong time.

Here is a synopsis of the behavioral loop described above:

Step 1. Individuals and groups evolved a bias to maximize fitness by maximizing power, which requires over-reproduction and/or over-consumption of natural resources (overshoot), whenever systemic constraints allow it. Differential power generation and accumulation result in a hierarchical group structure.

Step 2. Energy is always limited, and overshoot eventually leads to decreasing power available to some members of the group, with lower-ranking members suffering first.

Step 3. Diminishing power availability creates divisive subgroups within the original group. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals, who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain power.

Step 4. Violent social strife eventually occurs among subgroups who demand a greater share of the remaining power.

Step 5. The weakest subgroups (high or low rank) are either forced to disperse to a new territory, are killed, enslaved, or imprisoned.

Step 6. Go back to step 1.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 01 May 2017, 01:17:33

Newf, isn't that Power Principle dynamics.?
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 01 May 2017, 07:35:46

Don't know. Tried to Google it and got a ice range of stuff including a movi. Can't wade through it right now.

But....it sounds to me like we are entering stage 3 now.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 01 May 2017, 08:53:57

I took the effort to go back to the previous segment and see when I had made my prediction,

Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 3

Post by Tanada » Sat 25 Mar 2017, 09:56:57
At the current growth rate this number will reach 7.5 Billion before May 1, 2017.

Current population estimate as I type this 7,493,191,030


Now that it is May 1, 2017 the world meter I use reads 7,501,563,166

That is an increase of over 8 million in 6 weeks. Edited to add, current projections are we will achieve 8 Billion in the third week of August, 2023. Most of the folks who hang around this website will still be alive when that date arrives, barring some catastrophic world altering event. Counting on my fingers I barely need to use two hands to get that many years in the future. The idea that we will add another half a billion souls to this world in just six years is rather stunning if you think about it for long. That means about twice as many babies will be born in the next six years as the entire living population of the USA today. If the death rate were lower the number would be even higher, but the WW II generation still has a few members around and the 1950's generation is just entering the prime death from old age zone. In 2023 a 73 year old person will have been born in 1950. IOW the USA Baby Boom generation will be entering the rapid reduction phase. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your POV the American Baby Boom was not even close to the end of baby booms, India began theirs with the 'Green Revolution' of the 1970's as did Mexico and many other countries where food availability was the controlling variable in population growth.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 01 May 2017, 09:18:16

This is the exponential function and population momentum in action. Astonishing
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 01 May 2017, 16:12:09

Yes, astonishing.

But it should not be.

Math should not be astonishing.

Al had it figured out well enough.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 May 2017, 16:26:47

The earth can support 7.5 billion people. I don't see the problem here.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 01 May 2017, 16:30:47

@ cog......really?........got a link to that??
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 01 May 2017, 19:06:54

Kiwi,

Sure Cog is right. The world CAN support 7.5'million people, for some short period of time.

But COG is a man of today, tomorrow is of no consequence to him. Tomorrow will work out according to Gods plan,so all will work out just fine.

And if 80% of all folks perish then that was inevitable and of no personal concern.

I reality how different is he from most? Other than he just enjoys aggitating.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 May 2017, 21:54:33

I'm making an observation Newfie. An observation that you find agitating. But its a true observation. No I don't care how many people the earth can support and for how long. The reason I don't care is because I'm not a planetary engineer as most people are here. I don't desire to become a dictator to decide who lives and who dies like people here do. But when it comes right down to it, I have no desire to play God.

I am content to let things play out however they play out. I know you might find this difficult to believe, but its a matter of complete indifference to me whether 7 billion people die tomorrow or if 9 billion people occupy the earth ten years from now.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 01 May 2017, 22:39:25

Cog, I get the notion that none of us here really know the answers for all of these
hard questions and issues we debate. I would elaborate, but I just realized
that I forgot to hide my icecream sandwich behind the waffles in the freezer this morning
and the kid is probably going to eat it before I get home if I stay on here longer.
You may tell me you don't like icecream sandwiches, and that is your right to do so.
If this turns out to be the case, may I have your icecream sandwich?
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Cog » Mon 01 May 2017, 22:51:51

I am indifferent to ice cream sandwiches so if I had one I would be happy to give it to you. Under this proviso. That you do not expect me to supply you with a never ending supply of ice cream sandwiches in the future.
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Re: THE Global Population Thread Pt. 4

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 02 May 2017, 08:11:06

Some may want to play God. I don't.

I get your indifference to human suffering.

We have words for that attitude, it lies somewhere between narcicissim and psychopathy.

Just my observation.
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