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Belief system, meet reality. (huge smacking noise follows)
Success is not permitted to be the answer in the greater scheme of things. Success has been rearranged to actually be the PROBLEM, so it certainly can't be also used as the answer.
Q: "Why didn't we run out of oil back when we only had 500 billion barrels of reserves and we produced all of them?"
A: "Because oil companies were quite successful at finding and producing more."
Correct A: "Because mankind strip minded Alberta, desecrated the Gulf and everywhere else it could drill, tore up ecosystems and created global warming which caused a tornado which killed my friend in Joplin Missouri last year."
This is how "success" can be cast into a context more in line with the proper way of thinking about things. White is black, black is white, small is big, etc etc.
look my friend, when you stop using natural gas or oil or any of it's derivatives then you can make comments like this.
The reason you have the lifestyle you do now is because of the extraction of hydrocarbons.
There is real debate about the environmental aspects of oil and gas extraction....your comments don't fall into that but rather into the realm of uninformed stupidity. When you have educated yourself properly on the subject then please post to your hearts content, otherwise you make a fool of yourself.
dinopello wrote:The real debate should be about what we do with the energy we are using up. We can talk about whether it's a good idea to use it up as fast as we possibly can, but fast or slow, what are we doing with it ? Are we doing anything with it that will help us get by when it's petering out ? Or, not? Right now it looks like not.
dinopello wrote:There really is not a realistic 'debate' about whether we are going to Frack. We are going to frack, frack, frack. We are going to pulverize this Earth and squeeze out every last economically recoverable drop of burnable solids, liquids and gasses. Nothing will stand in the way of that.
The real debate should be about what we do with the energy we are using up. We can talk about whether it's a good idea to use it up as fast as we possibly can, but fast or slow, what are we doing with it ? Are we doing anything with it that will help us get by when it's petering out ? Or, not? Right now it looks like not.
The Royal Academy of Engineering and the Royal Society said in a report published on Friday that the UK's current regulatory systems were sufficient for shale gas fracking if they were adequately enforced, but also said that closer monitoring of shale gas exploration sites should be put in place, in order to ensure their safety.
They asked for new monitoring systems for "fracking" – the fracturing of dense shale rock under intense pressure of jets of water, sand and chemicals – a process that has already resulted in two small earthquakes in the Blackpool region, from the first two shale gas wells to be drilled in the UK.
"We applaud Gov. Perdue for listening to the people of this state and vetoing this misguided piece of legislation," said Molly Diggins, state director of the Sierra Club.
But delay means North Carolina is missing out on jobs and profits flowing to other states, said Dallas Woodhouse, state director of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity.
Perdue has expressed tempered support for hydraulic fracturing if the right regulations are in place and it can be done safely to protect drinking water and citizens. She agreed with supporters of fracking that it could help create jobs and lower energy costs.
rockdoc123 wrote:The one good thing is that fracking is basically a hysteria driven by hopes and desires and not real reserves. The natural gas price will shoot up once this bubble of delusion bursts.
where do you think the huge increase in natural gas production came from in the US? Why do you think the natural gas price is so low?
This hardly speaks to delusion but rather to success.
Not sure where those not in the oil and gas industry get this idea that shale gas is somehow in peoples imagination. There has been an immense amount of success in North America.
A North Carolina state representative says she voted mistakenly to override the governor's veto of a bill to allow the shale gas exploration called "fracking" but was told she couldn't change it because this would have altered the outcome.
Democratic Rep. Becky Carney of Charlotte says she pushed the green "yes" button at her desk Monday night to override Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue's veto of the measure before realizing she wanted to vote red, or "no."
Her "yes" vote made the tally 72-47 – just above the 60 percent required to override in the Republican-controlled Legislature. The chamber's rules prevent members from changing a vote if it affects the outcome.
Carney had voted earlier against fracking. She said Tuesday she feels terrible about her error but acknowledged the bill passed legally.
Potential gas formations in the Triassic Basins are underneath or upstream from public drinking water supplies for 2.4 million people in North Carolina, stretching from the densely populated areas of the Triangle through the Sandhills to the South Carolina state line. Other communities downstream withdraw drinking water from the Lumber, Cape Fear, Neuse, and Tar Rivers. A smaller area of the shale occurs along the Dan River in Stokes, Rockingham, Yadkin and Davie Counties.
dinopello wrote:Where's the gas ?...Potential gas formations in the Triassic Basins are underneath ... public drinking water supplies for 2.4 million people
Plantagenet wrote:Gosh...all kinds of things might be down there underneath the drinking water supplies. Don't forget that evil fluoride is in the rocks undersea the public drinking water supplies too. How about salt? Too much salt will kill you and there is salt in rocks. And bacteria---scientists have shown there is a huge ecosystem of subterranean bacteria that is underneath, above and even IN the groundwater. Icky poo. I'm sure you'll come up something really scary to stop frakking if you fearmonger long enough.
How about giant frakking worms?
dinopello wrote:plantagenet wrote: I'm sure you'll come up something really scary to stop frakking if you fearmonger long enough.
How about giant frakking worms?
What the frak are you talking about?
Plantagenet wrote:I'm trying to help ...portray frakking as being dangerous.
dinopello wrote: We will continue to frak as long as there's money to be made. We are going to frak this planet up, down and sideways. Once structural transportation demand is in place through conversion of trucking fleets to NG - frakking operations will accelerate and will be pervasive wherever there is a whif of gas. You might as well sit back and enjoy the show and not worry about it.
Plantagenet wrote:THANK GOD the USA invented National Parks so there will be always be a few places safe from frakking.
dinopello wrote:Plantagenet wrote:THANK GOD the USA invented National Parks so there will be always be a few places safe from frakking.
Dream on, God isn't going to save the National Parks....
Plantagenet wrote:You obviously don't understand what the National Park System is all about.
shortonsense wrote:Hydraulic fracturing fluids are primarily water. This fluid is pumped under pressure underground, and then it is allowed to flow back to the surface, where it is captured and disposed of under applicable EPA and UIC rules, the Marcellus frac water for example is being put on rail cars and disposed of in Ohio.
Once utilized as cow fodder and for poor man’s curry, the guar bean is now a key element in the chemical cocktail used to frack wells, the technology that has prompted the oil and gas boom sweeping across North America, and is set to spur a worldwide boost in oil and gas recovery. India produces some 80% of the world’s guar gum, a hydrocolloid — a substance that forms a gel when mixed with water.
The rising price of the gummy gold was blamed by Halliburton late last month for a decrease in profits so far this year. “The price of guar gum has inflated more rapidly than previously expected due to concerns over the potential for shortages for the commodity later in 2012. As such, the costs have impacted the company’s second quarter North America margins more than anticipated,” the company asserted in its earnings statement.
Article: Some fracking critics use bad science
PITTSBURGH — In the debate over natural gas drilling, the companies are often the ones accused of twisting the facts. But scientists say opponents sometimes mislead the public, too.
Critics of fracking often raise alarms about groundwater pollution, air pollution, and cancer risks, and there are still many uncertainties. But some of the claims have little — or nothing— to back them.
For example, reports that breast cancer rates rose in a region with heavy gas drilling are false, researchers told The Associated Press.
Fears that natural radioactivity in drilling waste could contaminate drinking water aren't being confirmed by monitoring, either.
And concerns about air pollution from the industry often don't acknowledge that natural gas is a far cleaner burning fuel than coal.
"The debate is becoming very emotional. And basically not using science" on either side, said Avner Vengosh, a Duke University professor studying groundwater contamination who has been praised and criticized by both sides.
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