THE Exxon Mobil Thread pt 2 (merged)

[Tami]

My brother in law worked cleaning up that mess. He is still alive.

[americandream]

ALMOST, not All.

[Novus]

I have heard the life expectancy of Valdez cleanup workers was 51.

[dolanbaker]

One of the responses to the story, Who do you believe?

0 0 Flag as Offensive Prince William Sound Resident on Jul 1, 4:05 AM said: @The Truthmaster:
This is complete Bull crap... Almost all Valdez Clean up crew Dead? Give me a break! Do you have any idea how many there were of us? Thousand upon Thousands... no were not all dead, though sometimes we might wish we were deaf after listening to some of this sensationalism on T.V.
All of this reeks of pigs at the trough the BP $$ trough... Yeah I don't trust any Oil companies after experiencing what we went thru with Exxon, for that matter I don't trust The Supreme court either-so much for looking out for the "little guy". And now I really don't trust CNN after allowing that woman to state such BS. I would bet my fishing boat that she has never even been in Alaska much less Prince William Sound. CNN you better check out your guests credibility a bit better.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/warning- ... z0sQHgtgyn

[mattduke]

ALMOST, not All.

My apologies. I renamed the title.

[jboogy]

This has been discredited. it appears the source for this claim is extremely difficult to pin down, rumor floating through the intertubes. http://7ax.de/1isc

[dissident]

Even if most of them are still alive, prolonged exposure to even diesel fuel (skin contact) can shorten your life. Oil has a bigger spectrum of toxic compounds than just a distillate. I am sure some BP apologist nitwit politician will come and claim you can drink it is so safe. I've seen one 'tard make this claim for PCBs.

[mcgowanjm]

I noticed 'glycol' in the Corexit Formulation of Proylene Glycol. And from
my dog being poisoned by antifreeze (for some reason they love the taste/smell, I know that antifreeze is Ethylene Glycol.

From:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethyl ... d_904.html


Comparing Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol
Comparing the properties of ethylene glycol and propylene glycol-Warning Label Ethylene glycol should never be used in any drinking water or food processing system

This chemical dispersant is like anti-freeze. BP is systematically poisoning the sea and everything in it.

Two ounces of ethylene glycol antifreeze can kill a dog, one teaspoon can be lethal to a cat, and two tablespoons can be hazardous to children.

Dispersant Application in Alaska: A Technical Update Anchorage, Alaska, March 18 and 19, 1998. Presentations and transcripts of panel discussions from a 1998 conference on the use of dispersants in Prince William Sound and Cook Inlet, Alaska. The report is 341 pages. Copies available by download or on CD (see contacts page).

[mcgowanjm]

And two of my different sites are posting this.

From the vid accompanying the title:

Testing Gulf Water: One Sample Exploded in Lab
July 18th, 2010

I think this originates with the Press Register of Mobile.

[mcgowanjm]

Even if most of them are still alive, prolonged exposure to even diesel fuel (skin contact) can shorten your life. Oil has a bigger spectrum of toxic compounds than just a distillate. I am sure some BP apologist nitwit politician will come and claim you can drink it is so safe. I've seen one 'tard make this claim for PCBs.

As a cotton farmer, I remember, way back when(carter/reagan
maybe) the California Sec of Ag drinking
a bottle of Methyl Parathion (major cotton insecticide), to claim it's benign.

Always wondered what happened to him.

And I see in a web search that Ethylene Glycol is used to isolate/screen DDT polymers. Nice stuff.

AAMOF, it looks like I've got lots of propylene glycol in me as well. It's a surfactant, designed to get the chemical in question to 'stick to'/'penetrate' the plant. A surfactant,
say propylene glycol is in your anti persperant:

Skin care manufacturers are not supposed to claim that their products penetrate the skin. If they did, the products would then be labelled as “drugs” and would be governed by much stricter regulations. However, it is now recognised that the skin does absorb many of the toxic ingredients in skin care preparations.

[SFDukie]

I'm extremely skeptical of the claim that most cleanup workers from the Prince William sound spill are dead. Personal injury lawyers would be having a field day were that true. That claim seems to come from an author, Merle Savage, who worked on cleanup. And she's clearly not much for evidence based medicine...

http://www.lvrj.com/news/exxon-valdez-oil-risks-spur-warning-for-gulf-cleanup-crews-93258964.html

While pain pills and other medications didn't work for her problems, Savage researched some natural remedies.

"I found out about toxic chemicals and detoxed myself with a lemon juice concoction," she said. "And I sleep on a blanket with magnets in it. It gets your system back in shape.

[americandream]

So presumably you are willing to go do your patriotic bit in clearing up this gunk, the risk of being immersed repeatedly in it notwithstanding, whilst the top nobs in a certain unnamed company are whooping it up at yachting regattas for the fabulously well fed.

As they say, there's one born every minute.

I'm extremely skeptical of the claim that most cleanup workers from the Prince William sound spill are dead. Personal injury lawyers would be having a field day were that true. That claim seems to come from an author, Merle Savage, who worked on cleanup. And she's clearly not much for evidence based medicine...

http://www.lvrj.com/news/exxon-valdez-oil-risks-spur-warning-for-gulf-cleanup-crews-93258964.html

While pain pills and other medications didn't work for her problems, Savage researched some natural remedies.

"I found out about toxic chemicals and detoxed myself with a lemon juice concoction," she said. "And I sleep on a blanket with magnets in it. It gets your system back in shape.

[Graeme]

Exxon ups oil target for Iraq's West Qurna Phase 1

U.S. major ExxonMobil (XOM.N) and its partners raised their production plateau target from Iraq's West Qurna oilfield to 2.825 million barrels per day after adding new reserves to the area covered by their original development contract, an Iraqi oil official said on Sunday.

The original plateau target when the contract was signed in January was 2.325 million bpd in six to seven years time, but the Exxon-led consortium agreed with Iraq to add four undeveloped reservoirs, Madhi Swadi, a member of the joint management committee that runs the field, told Reuters.

"There was a discussion to develop the discovered undeveloped reservoirs and it was agreed as an addition to the original contract at production rates of 500,000 bpd," he said in an interview at West Qurna oilfield, near the southern oil hub of Basra.

Under a rehabilitation plan for the field, the consortium plans to boost output from the giant field to around 750,000 bpd in three years from between 230,000 to 240,000 bpd now, by drilling new wells, overhauling existing wells and a series of water injection projects, Swadi said.

reuters

[Tanada]

Sounds to me like the super straw effect is coming to Iraq with a vengeance. I wonder if the goal is to drain the reserves ASAP in case the government stops being friendly to the USA a decade down the road?

[vtsnowedin]

I wonder how many bribes had to be paid to seal that deal?

[Plantagenet]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Exxon can't find more oil. The "Good old days are over" says an Exxon oil man.

Exxon can't find more oil

Obviously there are still wells to be drilled in offshore areas, small fields in the Bakken and similar onshore plays, as well as Brazil, Iraq, the Arctic, etc. But a giant company like Exxon needs giant oil plays to stay alive. Exxon is saying that it can't find any giant oil projects worth spending its money on anywhere in the world.

The time of the big private oil company is over.

[vtsnowedin]

Sooner or later this had to happen. Apparently it is sooner.

[Plantagenet]

8) Sooner or later this had to happen. Apparently it is sooner.

Yup. I'm just amazed at how soon it is all happening. Looks like that 2005 global oil production peak (i.e. peak oil) is hard and real.

The WSJ says Exxon is shifting into natural gas plays.

This has BIG implications for US energy policy, since Exxon is the largest American oil company.

It also has BIG implications for people who have stock portfolios with energy stocks. Exxon stock was down big today---probably due to the WSJ story about them I've linked to here. There has been a lot of debate as to whether the big oil companies will do great or will get wiped out as peak oil starts to bite. Personally, I don't own Exxon or other big energy companies----I think their growth potential is limited as oil supplies start to drop----I think the energy service companies will do better.

[Daniel_Plainview]

"The good old days are gone and not to be repeated," says Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer and Co. Bringing additional reserves from gas "is not going to give you the same punch" that oil would, he said.

Peak oil has arrived ...

8) Sooner or later this had to happen. Apparently it is sooner.

Yup. I'm just amazed at how soon it is all happening. Looks like that 2005 global oil production peak (i.e. peak oil) is hard and real.

Peak oil is upon us ...

[highlander]

That is because it is all locked up in ANWR. (well, 42 days worth or whatever)
There will be a loud cry to reduce taxes on oil companies, have gov'ts subsidize exploration and allow corporate profits to be massive, or else the world will come to an end.
govt's will submit, no oil will be found
there will be blood.