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The Export Land Model

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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 17:33:38

Care - 40 years ago??? LOL.

New figures from the U.S. Census Bureau on Thursday showed Texas boasts five of the nation's eleven fastest-growing cities. Little has changed since the days when people in the first states decided they'd had it with city life, left their homes and chalked the letters GTT on the door--"Gone to Texas." Except that now Texas sports some of the nation's biggest cities, and the migrants come from abroad, the West Coast and Midwest more than from the East.

The state's cities and suburbs consistently rank among the fastest-growing in the country. The 2010 US Census recorded Texas as having a population of 25.1 million—an increase of 4.3 million since the year 2000. Hispanics are also the largest group of incoming migrants, both foreign and domestic. In coming decades the Hispanic demographic will double the population to 50 million by 2050.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby careinke » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 19:53:06

ROCKMAN wrote:Care - 40 years ago??? LOL.


Actually, only 14 years ago, sometimes it feels like 40.....
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 21:54:47

Care - I think I misinterpreted you: what did you do in 2002 and where did you go?
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby careinke » Fri 09 Dec 2016, 15:17:24

ROCKMAN wrote:Care - I think I misinterpreted you: what did you do in 2002 and where did you go?

I worked as a defense contractor for the Royal Saudi Air Force for ten years, we built the Peace Shield system, developed the training for both the operations and Maintenance sides (starting with English). When the contract ended, I was the lead contractor for the RSAF Air defense training center in Al Karj. Good money and benefits, but the customer sucked.

The saying was: You come to Saudi with two buckets, you put the money you make in one and the shit you take in the other. If either bucket fills up, it's time to leave. :) For me, both buckets filled up about the same rate. I was glad the contract ended, so I could really retire. :)

Prior to Peace Shield, I was Mission Crew Commander on the AWACS in the US Air Force, so I "visited" the country frequently.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby M_B_S » Fri 09 Dec 2016, 15:57:35

@careinke

A bit off topic:
Why the hell bomb SA Yemen?
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With Norwegian production now passed its peak, oil and gas output is expected to drop rapidly within relatively few years, combined with the absence of major discoveries over the last decade, this will present a considerable challenge for maintaining value creation and a sustainable level of activity on the Norwegian Continental Shelf.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 10 Dec 2016, 09:43:45

Care - Very interesting...thanks. I get the bucket philosophy: my shit bucket in Equatorial Guinea filled up much faster then my money bucket so I bailed. Between a couple of potentially fatal near misses and a front row seat watching the locals suffer at the hands of a homicidal dictator became too much.

And commuting half way around the world every 28 days wasn't missed either. LOL.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby careinke » Mon 12 Dec 2016, 05:20:56

M_B_S wrote:@careinke

A bit off topic:
Why the hell bomb SA Yemen?
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KSA and Yemen have always had border disputes. It's usually a Tribal thing, obviously Wahhabism has escalated things. I keep saying we should get out of this Shia Sunni conflict. Personally, I feel were backing the worst side.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 12 Dec 2016, 06:10:44

careinke wrote:
M_B_S wrote:@careinke

A bit off topic:
Why the hell bomb SA Yemen?
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KSA and Yemen have always had border disputes. It's usually a Tribal thing, obviously Wahhabism has escalated things. I keep saying we should get out of this Shia Sunni conflict. Personally, I feel were backing the worst side.


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OK Its a religious war in the whole middle east like 30 year war in Europe with 50% of the people dead on the battlefield Germany <=> Syria Lybia Iraq Yemen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
The Thirty Years' War devastated entire regions, with famine and disease resulting in high mortality in the populations of the German and Italian states, the Crown of Bohemia, and the Southern Netherlands. Both mercenaries and soldiers in fighting armies traditionally looted or extorted tribute to get operating funds, which imposed severe hardships on the inhabitants of occupied territories. The war also bankrupted most of the combatant powers.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Dec 2016, 07:46:43

careinke wrote:
M_B_S wrote:@careinke

A bit off topic:
Why the hell bomb SA Yemen?
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KSA and Yemen have always had border disputes. It's usually a Tribal thing, obviously Wahhabism has escalated things. I keep saying we should get out of this Shia Sunni conflict. Personally, I feel were backing the worst side.

Far and above tribal or religious issues lies the fact that the Yemen's population has overshot the resources available to them. They are short of food, water and energy available for export. That rebels would try to seize power and threaten the much richer neighbor next door was inevitable and something we will probably see in one country after another as the ELM comes increasingly into play.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby Revi » Mon 12 Dec 2016, 22:23:33

That little war in Yemen may be eating up some of their sovereign wealth fund as well. It's expensive to do that kind of thing!
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Mon 12 Dec 2016, 23:19:18

Revi wrote:That little war in Yemen may be eating up some of their sovereign wealth fund as well. It's expensive to do that kind of thing!

Yes it is bad when they get down to " Two bullets are enough to kill any _____!
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby MD » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 07:26:22

Many of the export lands are having their demand destroyed, carefully so as to avoid disrupting their production.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 07:29:38

MD wrote:Many of the export lands are having their demand destroyed, carefully so as to avoid disrupting their production.

Care to give us an example of where and how this is being done "carefully"?
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby MD » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 10:13:58

vtsnowedin wrote:
MD wrote:Many of the export lands are having their demand destroyed, carefully so as to avoid disrupting their production.

Care to give us an example of where and how this is being done "carefully"?

""carefully"" is what I meant. Do you really need more detail?
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby Revi » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 10:41:49

Some of these countries, like Egypt and Indonesia need to do something to reduce consumption rapidly.

It might not be too fun for those who are reduced...
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 11:26:04

Revi wrote:Some of these countries, like Egypt and Indonesia need to do something to reduce consumption rapidly.

It might not be too fun for those who are reduced...

That is what I was coming to.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby MD » Tue 13 Dec 2016, 11:32:50

vtsnowedin wrote:
Revi wrote:Some of these countries, like Egypt and Indonesia need to do something to reduce consumption rapidly.

It might not be too fun for those who are reduced...

That is what I was coming to.

And it's just human nature to prefer the "reduction" happen elsewhere.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby Revi » Fri 16 Dec 2016, 13:19:11

I think that there will be oil around, if the country has some kind of hard currency to pay for it. If not, they are out of luck. I think they might still have to convert their country's currency into dollars to pay for oil.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Fri 16 Dec 2016, 18:22:02

Revi wrote:I think that there will be oil around, if the country has some kind of hard currency to pay for it. If not, they are out of luck. I think they might still have to convert their country's currency into dollars to pay for oil.

If there is an economic collapse in the USA it might well come down to how many pounds of wheat flour will you trade for a barrel of oil.
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Re: The Export Land Model

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 16 Dec 2016, 22:51:00

vt - The "barter system" per se may be working with Russia and China. They've started trading without using the $USD. But will only work when the trade balance is fairly even. OTOH Mexico has a big trade imbalance with China. Mexico has very few commodities the Chinese desire. Mexico does have oil exports. But most don't know that the majority of that revenue is sent to back to US refineries for products and an increasing amount for buying US NG.
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