EnergyUnlimited wrote:Tell me, how do you feel, as a German, when you learn that your taxes go for financing of European mess.
Yes, I pay a significant amount of taxes, but as a typical German I'm not against my own government/state
Taxes are ok, because you have to finance lots of things by public, but of course it depends WHAT you do finance...
You will work hard and save but Greeks, Italians and Spaniards will enjoy plenty of good wine, beautiful women, retirement at 50 and plenty of other niceties.
I also enjoy wine, women, many holidays, beer and so one. Nothing wrong with that, nobaody is forced to work 60 hrs a week, not even in Germany...
Real retirement ages are quite similar within Europe, no need to envy anyone about that and it is quite logical that retirement has to come alter and later with more old people and less young and the older ones becoming more and more healthy.
If I want a free year to travel through the world I would take it now and would not wait 40 years until my retirement. You have to live now.
However once they run out of money, you will chip a bit in to help party going.
And all what you have to do is to work hard and don't complain.
So far my tax rates have not increased, unemployment rate is lower than in the past 20 years, I have more than enough money, so far the Euro problem does not hurt my directly. I would not be opposed to even higher tax rates to get our national dept below 60% again.On the other hand interst rate for German bonds are so low now that new dept seems to be only a little problem for us.
What I do not accept is a tranfer to Greece without any plan how to end that. I have zero sympathie for the Greece demonstrations against cutting several payments. Of course it hurts if you have to give up those privileges, but If you want to live on a certain living standard you have to do something for that and just can't ask others to pay for you forever. We have this experience with the Eastern part of Germany. If you establish a transfer sheme you have to cut the transfer quickly, otherwise people will get used to it and live on a standard that is not sustainable.
It will be very difficult to get Greece back to a sustainable living standard, which would be maybe more in the region of Albania than in the region of Italy, if you compare the productivity of the country.
European Commission knows better what to with your money than you do.
To have the EU is imho a very good thing because it can act without to look with fear on every single national interest. This is a risk but also a huge chance.
The EU is bigger and better than just the sum of its states.
How do you feel about that?
A transfer of money from rich to poor is a key componente of EU politics and imho it is a wise one. I rather help Poland to improve its infrastructure and experince rising wages than to have Poland that has to compete with very low wages that will undercut also my living standard. This is a very simplified position, but my English is not good enough to explain it better.
The same is with Greece...
I have no interest in starving people in Greece, burning cities, dieing enterprises. why should I have?
I have an interest that Greece will be able to establish a country that is able to provide its people with a good living standard. But I expect the people to accept that this does mean that you need some productive jobs, that you must be competitive on wages, that you have to pay taxes and so on. At least this is the European way.
If you prefer another way I would expect Greece to not only leave the Euro, but also to leave the EU with all consequences. (any with paying back all of the dept)
The same goes for Ireland. When the speculation went well with the celtic tiger during 2000-2008 they didn't like the EU, but when their banks collapsed the EU was fine to help. I hope that there will be a more positive view on the EU when they will prosper again and I accept a more fair policy for example on tax rates for enterprises.
If my(?) tax money goes to a more stable and better Europe I do not have a problem with that. If it is just used to fill gaps in the Greece budget because the Greece government is not able to collecttaxes from its own citizens I do have a problem with the transfer.
We ALL do not live sustainable, we have 1-10% of the rich which will accumulate more and more of the money and expect higher and higher interest rates. So far there is no solution on that problem of wealth accumulation, which is able to destroy entire societies.
There is not solution on the problem of to complicated finance products which are "to big to fail" and which are controlled by computers. This has the potential to destroy nations. And we have no solution on our use of natural resources.
We lived beyond our possibilities in many conutries for decades and I assume that most of use that have enough money and wealth (80-90% of the population in Europe) should expect to lower the "material" wealth expectations for the coming decades.
This does NOT mean a lower living standard or less happiness. People have been more happier 30 years ago with significantly less money a resource consumption compared to now.
Final word: Get the current situation in Europe under control, develop strategies for a sustainable live (money / resources), try to help those in trouble.
If this would cost 1/4th of my income but provides a good live for my live and coming generations: Let it happen!
A new flatscreen makes you happy for 2-3 days, living secure and healthy between other happy and wealthy people will benefit you every day of your live...
Maybe not the answer that you expected.