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The Energy Election

Unread postby C8 » Wed 30 Sep 2015, 20:54:06

The following is a fascinating article by the author of The New Geography, the Next Hundred Million and other books. Essentially he outlines this upcoming election as a battle between the old energy sector (fossil fuels) and the new renewable industry. Each side has a geographic base that anchors its policies and shapes its views.

On one side you have Republican fossil fuels lobbyist from the states that dominate production and receive current subsidies

On the other side you have the new Democratic renewables lobbyists from states that do not have significant fossil fuel reserves but often have tech companies getting into renewable energy and seeking expanded subsidies

The battle also pits groups within the Democratic Party against each other- the affluent greens vs. the poor (who cannot afford the higher prices of renewable energy)

At the end of this article I have included the link to the original page. The original page has many hyperlinks to the news stories the author cities to support his points. You might find this a fuller experience as it allows you to stream into other related stories.


The Energy Election
By Joel Kotkin - September 30, 2015


Blessed by Pope Francis, the drive to wipe out fossil fuels, notes activist Bill McKibben, now has “the wind in its sails.” Setting aside the bizarre alliance of the Roman Catholic Church with secularists such as McKibben, who favor severe limits of family size as an environmental imperative, this is a potentially transformational moment.

Simply put, the cultural and foreign policy issues that have defined U.S. politics for the past have century are increasingly subsumed by a divide over climate and energy policy. Progressive pundits increasingly envision the 2016 presidential election as a “last chance,” as one activist phrased it, to stop “climate change catastrophe.” As this agenda gets ever more radical, the prominence of climate change in the election will grow ever more obvious.

The key here is that the green left increasingly does not want to limit or change the mix of fossil fuels, but eliminate them entirely, the faster the better. The progressive website Common Dreams, for example, proposes eliminating fossil fuels within five or six years in order to assure “reasonable margin of safety for the world.”

This new militancy is a break from the recent past, when many greens embraced natural gas and nuclear power as practical, medium-term means to slow and even reverse greenhouse gas growth. But the environmental juggernaut, deeply entrenched within the federal bureaucracy and pushed by a president with seemingly limitless authority, is committed increasing to the systematic destruction of one of the country’s most important, and high-paying, industries. One goal is to demonize fossil fuel producers along the lines of the tobacco industry.

The pope’s intervention has bolstered the tendency within the environmental movement not to allow any challenge to its own version of infallibility. This, despite discrepancies between some models of climate change and what has actually taken place.

As we have moved from a rational discussion of the issue toward an increasingly dogmatic agenda, we have lost sight of more pragmatic, and less economically painful, ways to reduce greenhouse gases through methods such as conservation, the substitution of natural gas for coal, and a re-embrace of nuclear power. As the Breakthrough Institute has shown, most reductions in greenhouse gases in the United States have not come from subsidized renewable energy sources but instead from improved efficiency and the rise of natural gas at the expense of coal. Overall, solar and wind, the favorites of the greens, account for barely 1.35 percent of the world’s energy.

The Breakthrough Institute’s pragmatism intends to create a middle ground between the left, which demonizes even the slightest criticism of green policy dogma, and the right, which equally mistakenly dismisses climate change as essentially a fabrication. But with the extremes in control of the debate, we can expect next year to mainly hear divisive discourse instead of solutions.

The Geography of Energy

In some parts of the country, most notably the Northeast and the West Coast, the imperatives of climate change demand the destruction of the fossil fuel industry. In others, those that depend the most on low-cost energy, the attack on fossil fuels represents a moral threat to local economies, jobs and well-being. The battleground will be in the Great Lakes, arguably the most critical region for the next election. Contrary to its sad sack image, the economy there has been on the rebound for years. Virtually every Great Lakes state except Illinois now enjoys unemployment rates below the national average. Several, led by the Dakotas, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Iowa, boast job rates that are among the nation’s highest.

Three key factors are propelling this comeback: an energy boom, a resulting jump in manufacturing, and relatively low housing costs. Energy firms have been a major source of new work for industrial firms, and lower electricity costs have provided U.S. manufacturers with an energy price advantage over European and Asian firms. German electricity prices, a result of their “green” energy policies, are almost three times the average of those in the United States.

The administration’s directive to all but ban coal could be problematic for many Midwest states, including several—Iowa, Kansas, Ohio, Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana—that rank among those most reliant on coal for electricity. Not surprisingly, much of the opposition to the EPA’s decrees come from Heartland states such as Oklahoma, Indiana, and Michigan.

Politically, the energy-rich states running from Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana up to the Dakotas may be all but lost to the Democrats. Before the decline in oil prices, these areas enjoyed a gusher in energy jobs, providing high wage employment (roughly $100,000 annually) that exceeds compensation for information, professional services, or manufacturing. Due largely to energy, they have enjoyed the highest jobs growth since 2007 and were among the first states to gain back the jobs lost in the recession.

In contrast, the areas that form the solid base of the progressives—basically the Northeast and the West Coast—have an increasingly small stake in fossil fuel industries. California, which has the fifth largest oil reserves among the states, has basically decided to abandon the industry, gradually pushing the remnants of what was once a thriving sector out of the state.

For the most part, with the notable exception of Pennsylvania, Northeastern states have little in the way of fossil fuels, and have gradually been eliminating much of their manufacturing base for over a half century. Nor do they have much need for electricity for industry as they continue to deindustrialize. Manufacturing accounts for barely 5 percent of state domestic product in New York and 8 percent in California—but 19 percent in Michigan and 30 percent in Indiana.

Rise of the Climate-Industrial Complex

Climate activists such as hedge fund billionaire Tom Steyer increasingly couch their policies on theological grounds, one reason why the pope’s intervention was so timely. Stark self-interest is also at work. Many of the Silicon Valley and Wall Street supporters of green policies have been among those most anxious to capitalize on big oil’s demise.

This includes cash-rich firms such as Apple, as well as many high-tech financiers and venture capitalists. Some of the biggest new fortunes, notably that of Elon Musk, are largely the creatures of subsidies. Neither SolarCity nor Tesla would be so attractive—and might even not exist—without generous handouts from taxpayers.

In contrast to traditional manufacturers, capitalists like Musk have a well-developed interest in taking advantage of the most draconian energy legislation. Other tech figures, including top executives at Google, have benefited from government-subsidized renewable energy schemes, including a remarkably inefficient and expensive solar project that has obliterated a huge part of the Mojave Desert.

No surprise, then, that the crony capitalists of Silicon Valley and their Wall Street financiers have emerged as primary funders of the green left. Much like the oil firms that help finance Republicans, particularly those who are climate change skeptics, the new oligarchs have solid business reasons to embrace the pontiff’s environmental dogma, though they seem unlikely to follow his admonitions to eschew corporate greed.

Ironically, the new militancy among greens is likely to hurt most the poor and working class with whom Pope Francis takes pains to identify. A rapid ban on fossil fuels in the developing world would hurt efforts to increase access to electricity. Today, some 1.3 billion people are off the grid, and not by choice. In sub-Saharan Africa, where much of the world’s population growth is expected to take place, roughly two-thirds of the population lacks regular access to electricity.

As Bjorn Lomborg has pointed out, whatever the negative effects of climate change on the poor, the impact of no electricity and poor sanitation are infinitely greater. Climate change policies, he notes, are an inefficient way to accomplish such things as reducing malaria; the Kyoto Protocol’s carbon cuts could save 1,400 malaria deaths for about $180 billion a year. More traditional approaches could save 300,000 people for about $500 million year.

Greens seem to have little idea what the poor want or need. When asked, people in developing countries prioritize such things as education, health care, job opportunities and better food; climate change ranked 16th—dead last on the list—according to a UN survey.

But the green gentry retain their catechisms. Prince Charles embraces the “intuitive grammar” of ultra-dense slums such as Mumbai’s Dharavi, which, he claims, have perfected more “durable ways of living” than those in the suburbanized West.San Francisco’s Friends of the Earth similarly applauds slum-dwellers as an “inspiration” for the low-carbon urban future, while Stewart Brand openly endorses the notion, “Save the Slums,” because they will save the planet.

Needless to say, it’s unlikely these apostles of urban squalor would want their children to live like that and it is absurd to suppose that leaders of such emerging powers as India and China have any intention of giving up on their gains in reducing poverty. We cannot expect they will accommodate the passions of wealthy Westerners at the expense of their own people.

A War on the Western Working Class?

Those most likely to pay for the new green agenda will be middle- and working-class populations in what are now rich countries. Germany spends hundreds of billions of dollars on solar panels and wind turbines that provide only an unreliable 15 percent of its electricity and 3 percent of its total energy. German consumers pay three times more for electricity than the average American. It’s so bad that Germans have added a new term to the language: “energy poverty.”

Perhaps the best test case for the impact of draconian climate policies is in my adopted home state of California. Here, high energy costs brought about by renewable mandates have devastated manufacturing growth and boosted electric bills, particularly in the poorer, and hotter, inland areas. As one recent study found, the summer electrical bills in rich, liberal Marin come to $250 monthly while in impoverished Madera, the average is twice as high.

Of course, energy policy is just one of the things raising poverty in a state where many of the world’s greatest fortunes are being minted. But it’s part of a climate change-driven agenda that is also somewhat responsible for the state’s absurdly high housing costs by consciously limiting affordable suburban growth. Overall, nearly a quarter of Californians live in poverty, the highest percentage of any state, including Mississippi, and, according to a recent United Way study, close to one in three are barely able to pay their bills.

With the blessings of the pope and broad support in the media, few Democrats are likely to stand up against the green policies. Hillary Clinton’s shift against the Keystone XL Pipeline, despite strong union support for the project, shows that she is willing to trade blue-collar workers in the Heartland for the approval of the coastal gentry, among whom climate change has acquired something of a religious aspect. “Whether it’s eating vegetarian or wearing organic eye shadow, we're all shopping for absolution,” observes Daniel Engber in Slate.

Ultimately Democrats will embrace the determined attempt by President Obama to secure his “legacy” as the great calmer of the Earth’s climate. Yet there’s some question how effective these policies will prove. Invariably, efforts will follow to silence those skeptical of the current course, particularly regarding the economic impact on working-class voters. In California, Steyer and his allies have worked overtime to suppress any potential dissent from politicians who hail from the largely Latino, blue-collar districts hit most directly by these policies.

Despite a massive investment in Latino “grassroots” front groups, as well as politicians, this effort is not foolproof. This month a handful of largely Latino and inland Democrats, some of them backed by the state’s residual energy industry, killed Jerry Brown’s attempt to force a 50 percent reduction in fossil fuel use by 2030, a measure that would have allowed the state impose gas rationing.

To be sure, this rebellion may prove short-lived, as state regulators now seem determined to impose by decree what could not even make it through the state’s Democratic-dominated legislature. Steyer loyalists such as State Senate President Kevin de Leon will continue to mollify his impoverished constituents–nearly half of all households in his district earn less than $34,000 a year—with handouts from “cap and trade funds” and the ever illusive chimera of “green jobs.”

In truth, if anyone has benefited from green policies and subsidies, it’s been the well-off.

They are the ones who benefit from subsidized solar, electric vehicles, and fuel-efficient cars; a recent UC Berkeley study found the top fifth of households received 60 percent of these wealth transfers, compared to barely 10 percent of those in the bottom quintile. Generally speaking, barrio residents don’t drive $100,000 Teslas.

So will climate change be an effective issue for the Democrats next year? There is room for skepticism. In 2014 Steyer and his acolytes spent some $85 million on “green” candidates, only to fail impressively. Geography and class work against their efforts, driving longtime working and middle-class Democrats, driving voters in places like Appalachia, the Gulf Coast and some areas of the Great Lakes increasingly out of the Democratic Party.

It is not even certain that Millennials, faced with diminishing prospects for good jobs and home ownership, will prove reliable backers of a draconian climate agenda. One recent survey suggested that young voters are actually less likely to identify as “environmentalist” than previous generations.

Like extreme social conservatism on the right, climate change thrills the coastal “base” of the Democratic Party, but threatens to lose support from other parts of the electorate. Despite the duet of hosannas of both the hyper-secular media and the Bishop of Rome, a policy that seeks, at base, to reduce living standards may well not prove politically sustainable.

Joel Kotkin is a Presidential Fellow in Urban Futures at Chapman University in Orange, Calif., and executive director of the Houston-based Center for Opportunity Urbanism. His most recent book is The New Class Conflict (Telos: 2014)
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby Apneaman » Wed 30 Sep 2015, 21:29:45

So we should get a fair and balanced account from a rightwing fossil fuel funded think tank, by a professor from a private christian school who has been on the board of far right think tanks with deep connections to the fossil fuel industry and ALEC? Does not matter since alt energy could never scale up and is all but dead with this latest shit kicking . If the slide continues much further, we may only ever hear just a few whimpers from the alt energy people from here on out. Just think how awesome it will be living in poverty and the only thing you have left to munch on is the win over the greenies at the end. If anything the alt energy attempts were a bump to the economy, but made no dent on oil or gas and coal can't compete with foreign suppliers. You could remove every single environmental regulation and it will not matter one bit in the end. This is probably what will end up happening as it will be one of the few can kicks left, but will do much harm and be extremely short lived. It's all over but the shouting.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby ennui2 » Wed 30 Sep 2015, 21:40:38

The attempt here is to kind of concede the point that the right wing is just an arm of the fossil fuel lobby, but to soften that obvious truth by attempting to label all left-wing posturing about the environment as due to an equally corrupt attempt to further the alternative energy industry, which we all know is in no way comparable to the fossil fuel lobby. I guess the idea is a plea towards provincialism. Kind of like the attempt southerners had to say "Hey, our industry relies on slaves, so let us do our thing and you do yours." Kind of a weak argument.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby Apneaman » Thu 01 Oct 2015, 00:45:44

You need to clarify. I'm not sure what your point is.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby Cog » Thu 01 Oct 2015, 05:59:59

The disastrous environmental policies advocated by the east and west coast liberals are no mystery to those of us who live in fly-over states. Thanks for posting this timely article C8.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 01 Oct 2015, 07:05:15

Cog wrote:The disastrous environmental policies advocated by the east and west coast liberals are no mystery to those of us who live in fly-over states. Thanks for posting this timely article C8.


There's a content-free post above if ever there was one. You want to call those policies disastrous, then elaborate on why. Nobody's going to go along with you just because you've slapped a negative label on them.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby kublikhan » Thu 01 Oct 2015, 08:04:17

Apneaman wrote:Does not matter since alt energy could never scale up and is all but dead with this latest shit kicking . If the slide continues much further, we may only ever hear just a few whimpers from the alt energy people from here on out.
The facts do not support this view. Renewable energy is growing stronger than ever. Investments were up 17% to $270 billion last year, despite the slide in oil prices. This year the US is slated to install more renewable energy than all conventional sources combined.

The past year brought a rebound of green energy investments worldwide with a surge of a solid 17% to $270 Billion. Brushing aside the challenge of sharply lower crude oil prices this sudden increase reveresed the investment dip of the past two years and was mainly driven by investments in solar and wind energy.

Additional highlights:
* China saw by far the biggest renewable energy investments in 2014 — a record $83.3 billion, up 39% from 2013. The US was second at $38.3 billion, up 7% on the year.

* A key feature of the 2014 result was the rapid expansion of renewables into new markets in developing countries. Investment in developing countries, at $131.3 billion, was up 36% on the previous year and came the closest ever to overhauling the total for developed economies, at $138.9 billion, up just 3% on the year. Additional to China, Brazil ($7.6 billion), India ($7.4 billion) and South Africa ($5.5 billion) were all in the top 10 of investing countries while more than $1 billion was invested in Indonesia, Chile, Mexico, Kenya and Turkey.

* Wind, solar, biomass and waste-to-power, geothermal, small hydro and marine power contributed an estimated 9.1% of world electricity generation in 2014, compared to 8.5% in 2013. This would be equivalent to a saving of 1.3 gigatonnes of CO2 taking place as a result of the installed capacity of those renewable sources.

* As in previous years, the market in 2014 was dominated by record investments in solar and wind, which accounted for 92% of overall investment in renewable power and fuels. Investment in solar jumped 29% to $149.6 billion, the second highest figure ever, while wind investment increased 11% to a record $99.5 billion. These expenditures added 49GW of wind capacity and 46GW of solar PV, both records.
Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2015

Not that long ago, the plunge in oil prices that has occurred over the past year would have been to renewables what kryptonite was to Superman, as the Financial Times put it. Not any more.

Deployment of renewable technologies continues to rise. The United States is on course to install 12 gigawatts of renewable capacity this year, more than all conventional sources combined. Wind capacity grew by 8.1 percent in 2014, and based on its analysis of projects in the works, the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates capacity will grow another 13.1 percent in 2015 and 10.9 percent in 2016. Solar is growing even faster, though from a smaller base. Between now and 2022, the EIA predicts that renewables will account for the majority of new power; by 2040.

Why haven’t the much lower oil prices been kryptonite for renewables? And what does this mean for the future? There are four main reasons why the link between oil and renewables appears to be weakening.

They operate in different markets. Oil is predominantly used for transport—cars, trucks, planes. Very little of it is used for power; oil accounts for less than 1 percent of power generation in the United States and Canada, for example, and not much more in Europe. Globally, the figure is around 5 percent. Renewables, in contrast, are used mostly to create electricity. The more important factor for renewables, then, is not the price of oil, but the price of electricity, and the latter is not entirely a function of the cost of fuel. The electrical grid itself is expensive, which is why US power costs, which are relatively low in global terms (an average of 12 cents per kilowatt-hour), have been rising. In Europe and Japan, electricity costs are significantly higher, and the relative position of renewables is correspondingly better.

The economics of renewables are improving. In 2011, when annual global investment in renewables peaked at $279 billion, 70 gigawatts were installed. In 2014, almost 40 percent more (95 gigawatts) was installed, though investment was slightly lower, at $270 billion. In that comparison lies the most important reason that renewables have held their own, and then some, even as the oil price fell so drastically. To put it simply, renewables are getting cheaper all the time.

The global dynamics of energy are changing. Because renewables have been relatively expensive, historically, most investment has come from developed countries; poorer ones felt they could not afford these energy sources. In addition, oil-rich countries, many of them in places well suited for solar, didn’t bother either, because they could burn cheap oil. Both of those assumptions are swiftly changing. In 2013, China for the first time invested more in renewable energy than Europe, according to the United Nations, and is now the global market leader. That year, new renewable capacity was greater than any other kind. Then there is India. Prime Minister Narendra Modi wants to rely on solar in large part to bring power to the hundreds of millions of Indians who lack it. The country’s ambitious goal is to install 170 gigawatts of clean energy by 2022. India’s spending on clean energy rose 14 percent in 2014, to $7.4 billion.

It’s also worth noting that some countries in the Middle East are getting much more thoughtful about the possibilities of solar. A Saudi conglomerate recently purchased a major Spanish solar developer, Fotowatio Renewable Ventures, which has a pipeline of almost 4 gigawatts of capacity. Egypt wants to increase renewables to 20 percent of capacity by 2020 and is nearing approval of a $3.5 billion, 2-gigawatt solar project with Bahrain’s Terra Sola. And Dubai’s state utility signed a deal late last year with a Saudi solar company for what could be the cheapest solar in the world—less than six cents per kilowatt-hour. McKinsey estimates that even at prices of $35 to $45 per barrel of oil, solar PV pays for itself—and that frees up more oil for Saudi Arabia to sell.

The science is improving. New solar technologies could allow solar cells to be rolled out via 3-D printer and applied almost anywhere. Japan is managing to make fuel cells work. Techniques to convert manure into methane are getting cheaper. Perhaps most important, storage is getting better and cheaper, and investment in the area is rising.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 01 Oct 2015, 08:59:16

I'll just have to be blunt: I've worked in the oil patch for 40 years. I've dealt with many thousands of my cohorts during that time. I still deal with hundreds every year. And not one person I know gives a moment worrying about the alts competing with us. In fact in Texas most of the oil patch I know is rather proud of what we accomplished in the state: being one of the major wind energy producers in the world. Why, you ask? Easy answer: everyone in the oil patch pays an electric bill and we like paying less thanks to wind power. Just ask our cousins in Austin that have some of the lowest costs in the nation. And not one of us considers wind competing with our oil/NG extraction efforts. We actually feel much more competitive pressure from our huge coal (lignite actually) resources: they compete with our NG production. Wind power has been developed as a supplement to our needs…not a replacement for oil/NG that's competing against lignite. The second largest source of GHG in the country is a plant in Texas. It has 3 NG fired generators and 3 lignite burning generators. Guess what it will burn exclusively when NG prices get high enough. Do I even need to tell you the answer? LOL.

I’ve always been amazed over the monies some companies throw at their lobbyists. I’ve never seen much good come out of it except perhaps for the fossil fuel burning electricity producers who ARE NOT a part of the oil patch in our view.

Again the bottom line: the oil patch in general doesn’t give a sh*t about alt energy sources because they have no meaningful impact on our efforts today and as far into the future as we can see. There is no competition: we won decades ago and are still winning. And will continue winning as long as the public keeps DEMANDING our production. Do we need a lobbyist to convince folks to their drive cars or heat/cool their homes or supply energy to the businesses they draw paychecks from? Do we need a lobbyist to convince the feds to lease offshore minerals rights: a process that has earned the govt hundreds of $BILLIONS in revenue over the decades? Did Shell Oil need a lobbyist to "force" the govt to take the $2 BILLION they paid for the leases where they just drilled that expensive dry hole? Do we need a lobbyist to convince the millions of private landowners to lease their drilling rights: a process that has earned them $TRILLIONS over the decades? Did the western miners digging on federal leases need a lobbyist to allow them to surge their exports which are generating record royalties for the same govt?

Not hardly. Lots of other examples but I'll stop there. But one last point: those lobbyists are being paid from the revenue stream generated by all you consumers out there who DEMAND fossil fuels in your daily lives to some degree. Those lobbyists are working as much for you as the oil patch.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby sunweb » Fri 02 Oct 2015, 09:44:19

If this is a choice between two "energies"; it really is a vote for business as usual. No fossil fuels, no industrial infrastructure, no pretty wind and solar energy capturing devices.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby ennui2 » Fri 02 Oct 2015, 14:00:04

Perfect is the enemy of good.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby C8 » Sat 03 Oct 2015, 16:53:20

The energy battle between blue state based solar and wind industries and red state based fossil fuel industries reminds me a little of the battle between New Orleans and NY early in US history. As the Mississippi river states began to populate with Americans, New Orleans was poised to become the nations largest shipping port of export good to the East Coast and Europe. But New York beat them by digging the Erie Canal, a totally artificial waterway that sent raw materials east to NY.

Blue State based tech companies essentially hope to outfox FF states by combining subsidies and tech prowess to take dominance over the energy production system. Global Warming is a main arguing point being used to justify massive federal intervention on the behalf of renewable energy companies.

Improvements in tech will also be needed to lower the costs of renewable energy further before Blue States can win this battle IMO. NY created a new canal that was cost effective vs. using the Mississippi to NO. But the energy and transportation system of today is too giant to be given to renewables based on subsidies alone- there just isn't enough money. For wind and solar to really ramp up, a major decrease in electricity generation costs will be needed (which I hope will happen).
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 03 Oct 2015, 17:37:45

"The energy battle between blue state based solar and wind industries and red state based fossil fuel industries". We do understand that that you can't get much redder then Texas right? A Texas D politician couldn't beat an R politician in a primary in NYC...he would be way too conservative. LOL.

We do understand that Texas is one of the biggest alt energy producing states by far, right? We do understand that Texas is THE biggest fossil fuel producing state, right? We do understand that Texas has over 100 years of coal (lignite) reserves at current prices/consumption, right? We do understand that Texas has the largest CO2 sequestration projects on the planet under construction today, right? We do understand that if Texas were counted as a country we would be tied with Germany as #4 when it come to wind power, right? We don't understand that one of the largest motor fuel consuming states is the very blue CA, right? We do understand that the largest consumers of fuel oil for home heating are the blue New England states, right?

So strange to try to hang the fossil fuel debate on red vs blue IMHO
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby kublikhan » Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:10:02

C8 wrote:But the energy and transportation system of today is too giant to be given to renewables based on subsidies alone- there just isn't enough money. For wind and solar to really ramp up, a major decrease in electricity generation costs will be needed (which I hope will happen).
It's already happening.

Wind power is now the cheapest electricity to produce in both Germany and the U.K., even without government subsidies. Solar power is a bit further behind, but the costs are dropping rapidly, especially those associated with financing a new project. But that's less interesting than what just happened in the U.S.

For the first time, widespread adoption of renewables is effectively lowering the capacity factor for fossil fuels. That's because once a solar or wind project is built, the marginal cost of the electricity it produces is pretty much zero—free electricity—while coal and gas plants require more fuel for every new watt produced. If you're a power company with a choice, you choose the free stuff every time. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle. As more renewables are installed, coal and natural gas plants are used less. As coal and gas are used less, the cost of using them to generate electricity goes up. As the cost of coal and gas power rises, more renewables will be installed.

The virtuous cycle has begun.
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There are two reasons this shift in capacity factors is important. First, it's yet another sign of the rising disruptive force of renewable energy in power markets. It's impossible to brush aside renewables in the U.S. in the same way it might have been just a few years ago. "Renewables are really becoming cost-competitive, and they're competing more directly with fossil fuels. We're seeing the utilization rate of fossil fuels wear away."

The shift illustrates a serious new risk for power companies planning to invest in coal or natural-gas plants. Historically, a high capacity factor has been a fixed input in the cost calculation. But now anyone contemplating a billion-dollar power plant with an anticipated lifespan of decades must consider the possibility that as time goes on, the plant will be used less than when its doors first open.

Most of the decline in capacity factors is due to expensive "base-load plants that are being turned on less because of renewables." The end result is that coal-fired and gas-fired electricity is becoming more expensive and the profits less predictable. The opposite is true of wind and solar.

It's remarkable that in every major region of the world, the lifetime cost of new coal and gas projects are rising considerably in the second half of 2015. And in every major region the cost of renewables continues to fall.
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 14 Nov 2015, 21:19:32

Fossil fools with their fossil fuels, framing the quantum leaps that solar, wind and other alternatives have made, as a class issue? To howl with laughter!

When has a hard right wing intellectual EVER been truly concerned about the 'working man.' Good Lord, stooping to almost Communist style sloganeering to whip up suspicion while solar takes over and during a time when oil prices are depressed? LOL

I said repeatedly when I posted here, years ago, that anybody who thought that corporations with huge piles of cash, were sitting on their hands, blithely ignorant about energy issues didn't have a good grasp on how the world works. Yep, the stumblebums behind some of the most forward thinking and sophisticated tech in the world, would miss that gravy train. The gravy train just wasn't big enough for them to see, or they just didn't get it. Right? Hmmmm...people who are creating nano-tech would miss something that big. You think?
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Re: The Energy Election

Unread postby kanon » Sat 14 Nov 2015, 23:18:44

C8 wrote:Blue State based tech companies essentially hope to outfox FF states by combining subsidies and tech prowess to take dominance over the energy production system. Global Warming is a main arguing point being used to justify massive federal intervention on the behalf of renewable energy companies.

There must be a label for this type of thinking. Weaving from whole cloth a tale of good vs evil, red vs blue, all for the sake of justifying pig-headed stubborn partisanship. It is amazing how loyal to the FF industry the poor dumb sombitches are. I suppose it is because they love the cars, wars, pollution, debts, and the payments. Or maybe everything is seen in terms of a football game and there is just no excitement without the dramatic struggle of opposing forces. Loyalty to sponsored politicians and corporations is the most foolish idea I have ever seen.
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