Ludi wrote:vtsnowedin wrote: Farming on the other hand will continue as long as there are people to eat the food produced.
Paid for by whom? I would agree with you if you had said "farming will continue as long as there are people to BUY the food produced."
With so little oil there are no longer suburbs, what "work" will the people be walking to?
I just can not be so complaisant about people moving in with Mom to walk to their jobs in the city. What jobs?
I guess that's why I'm a doomer. I'm not seeing what jobs there will be when there is so little oil there are no longer suburbs and everyone has moved to the city.
I guess this is something I'm just never going to figure out, how our economy is supposed to continue when it is dependent on cheap and plentiful oil.


Compared to you Ludie I am a slow crasher. I don't think we will all lose our jobs and the ability to pay for food overnight. I do expect quite a bit of disruption and the rate of that upheaval to accelerate over time. I think that a lot of jobs will be created in the new industry of "Dealing with peak oil". If we can't afford oil at its current price we will expend time and labor doing whatever it is that needs to be done by other means. Not all the Mother-in-laws live in the city. Some are still living on the family farm and in small towns where work and homes are within walking distance of each other as well as the corner store,the church, and the school.
And again the expected shortfall of oil post peak is on the order of five percent per year and we are currently wasting some forty percent of the oil we consume in America driving each and every one of us twenty five miles each day and getting nowhere. That gives us some eight years to ratchet down SUV single person commutes and needless trips to strip malls before we need to shut down any farmers tractor or turn the lights off in any factory.
If we have leadership with an accurate view of what is going on we can start expending resources on making the transition from sprawl and commutes to walkable and livable communities that are profitable. The question is can we educate the leaders we have or do we need to vote in a new set. When will a presidential candidate be asked to explain his policy on dealing with peak oil?