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Timo wrote:Plant, just to add a little perspective to your argument regarding the Karma, and EVs in general (without questioning your particular viewpoint), one step at a time. I'm not endorsing the Karma or discounting the problems, potential or valid, with its batery systems. However, from my point of view, again -right or wrong, i look at the hundreds, if not thousands of actual lives lost in the battles over oil, and the inevitable disasters that stem from its delivery. The Deepwater Horizon was far more catastrophic than any fire caused by any EV, anywhere. The wars in Nigeria, the spills and leaks in Michigan, refinery fires, and on and on, are much more detrimental to life and property than the fires of the Karma, or the Volt, for that matter.
Revi wrote: Arguing about what kind of car will work in the future is like having a squabble about what kind of jet you are going to buy now. Most of us are out of cars soon anyway. There's no way we'll be using the rest of our energy to push a steel box into the wind. The only thing that's going to make sense is electric trains and maybe really small electric cars. We won't be able to afford anything else.
+1Timo wrote:Between the Karma and the iMiev from Mitsubishi, the Karma please.
kublikhan wrote:+1Timo wrote:Between the Karma and the iMiev from Mitsubishi, the Karma please.
Who the hell designed the iMiev? It is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen. 30 grand for that?!?!?
New technology means Australian-made large cars are more frugal than ever, but which is best?
All solutions have their advantages.
LPG is not as efficient as petrol, but is (currently) about half the price and emits less carbon dioxide.
Ford's turbocharged four-cylinder promises six-cylinder power and four-cylinder fuel economy, while the Camry Hybrid combines a 2.5-litre four-cylinder petrol engine with an electric motor for claimed small-car fuel consumption.
The Commodore and the Falcon EcoBoost get knocked out of the contest first.
The four-cylinder Falcon is a fine engineering effort but if we are judging this comparison test first and foremost on economy and fuel costs, then it clearly loses out.
The Commodore gets knocked because in a two-horse dedicated LPG race it is clearly the inferior competitor.
The EcoLPi Falcon does a better job of saving you money and delivers a more satisfying drive.
Which leaves the LPG Falcon and the Camry Hybrid.
Yet such is the fuel-price differential between petrol and LPG, the EcoLPi Falcon managed to undercut the Camry's fuel-cost-per-kilometre average, while the Commodore SV6 owner will pay only a little more.
But the Camry emits significantly less CO2 and you don't have to refuel as often as an LPG car. And at $34,990 you have paid significantly less (based on RRP).
Personally, I would take the Falcon because it is a pleasure to drive and powered by a fuel that reduces our dependency on imported oil.
Yet the economy and pricing of the Camry are impossible to ignore. It is a car that lacks personality but is brainy, frugal and affordable, and deserves the top ranking in this test.
I might make the analogy that tree leaves are cost-competitive with tree trunks right now. And building a home with them is much cheaper than with real wood. I would argue that leaves and trunks are merely different state/forms of the same material; trunks being heavy and solid, leaves light and airy.Plantagenet wrote:Revi wrote: Arguing about what kind of car will work in the future is like having a squabble about what kind of jet you are going to buy now. Most of us are out of cars soon anyway. There's no way we'll be using the rest of our energy to push a steel box into the wind. The only thing that's going to make sense is electric trains and maybe really small electric cars. We won't be able to afford anything else.
It makes perfect sense to think about what kind of car will work in the future.
For instance, you left NG cars off your list of thngs that might make sense going forward. NG cars are cost competitive with gasoline cars right now, and refueling them with CNG is much cheaper than gasoline.
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