THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 1 (merged) Archived

[backstop]

Frank - I wrote:

"the massive CO2 emissions during stations' construction that are not recovered by operation displacing fossil fuels for a number of years, meaning that building a series of stations, say 20 at one per year, will put extra CO2 into the atmosphere for well over 30 years. This has an intensifying destabilizing impact on the global economy, (viz hurricane Ivan) exacerbating 1/a) above, and causing potentially catastrophic impacts on food production;"

and I stand by this. Your suggestion that I'm blaming CO2 for Hurricane Ivan is your interpretation, not my writing.

I referred to hurricane Ivan as an example of weather impacts' "intensifying destabilizing impact on the global economy," which it evidently has had and still is having in terms of exceptionally low US crude oil inventories elevating oil prices.

You ask whether I've "ever looked at the history of landfalling hurricanes in the US ?" - I first did so about 28 years ago.

Your slogans : "Its a cycle" & "The climate is constantly changing." seem to me unsubstantiated as an argument that the steady intensification of global weather damage over the last few is not due to man-made global warming.

Since the global climate system directly reflects the level of solar heat retained in the ecosphere by insulatory atmospheric gasses,
and since even the Whitehouse now acknowledges that man-made global warming began over fifty years ago,
and since global weather damage rates have been climbing for decades,
would you care to explain how the present intensification if weather impacts, (viz Hurricane Ivan) is not due to man-made C02 emissions ?

regards,

Backstop

[frankthetank]

I thought you were implying that Ivan was a direct result of global warming....thats all...i'm not denying that the Earth is warming...I'm a weather nut and its one of my passions...This hurricane season has been active, but nothing to suggest that global warming is the cause.

I think worrying about climate change (which is going to happen no matter if we pump out CO2 or not) is not at the top of my list (or the US Governments--Kyoto) I worry more about Mercury in my food and Particulates in my lungs...

i have noticed that many online Meteorologists (JBastardi,many others @accuwx, JoeDAleo, and others) take a pretty hard line against Global Warming...with a lot of data to back up their arguments...

Sorry for misinterpeting your post...

[backstop]

Frank - while my first post wasn't suggesting that Ivan was the result of Global warming, my response to your post was suggesting that Ivan was an example of increasingly violent weather wordwide that is due to Global Warming.

While individual weather events cannot be differentiated into natural and anthropogenic, the increase in such events in a given area is identifiable. Therefore I suggest you choose which of Charlie, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne to consider, notionally, as anthropogenic.

With regard to the information you've been fed denying that anthropogenic global warming is now under way, that the Whitehouse has now acknowledged began 50 years ago, I suggest you have a look at the writings of the UK's cheif scientist, Prof. David King, and at the publications of the UK Meteorological Office, and at the recent output of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

No offence meant, but your opinion that "climate change . . . is going to happen no matter if we pump out CO2 or not" is really uninformed. It's your choice what you do about it.

regards,

Backstop

[frankthetank]

Ice core samples show that the earth has had a history of ice ages and warm periods. This is fact.

Hurricane Ivan forming does not prove that global warming is occurring. Historically speaking, this season is not out of the ordinary. I guess my point is that i'm more worried about PO then I am about the global warming.

This post is about electric cars. I don't believe electric cars can replace gasoline engines. If battery technology can improve and nuclear plants are built I might be swayed.

[backstop]

Frank, we're agreed that the ice cores record a series of ice ages, and that Hurricane Ivan is not, in isolation, proof positive of global warming. It looks as if we should agree to differ over the unprecedented nature of this year's hurricane season so far. OK by you ?

To return to the thread, I'd suggest that Fuel-Cell Electric Vehicles [FCEVs] can replace a proportion of gasoline ICE engines sustainably, if they are fuelled with sustainably sourced methanol or ethanol.

This avoids the substantive problems of massively raising grid capacities globally, plus corresponding rises in power plant capacities, purely to meet transport energy demand.

However, given the limited scale of the planet, I don't see that any technology, whether sustainable or not, can support an exponential growth in energy usage without crashing us into one or other of the critical limits to growth that are now in sight.

Where do you stand on trying, or not trying, to maintain exponential growth ?

regards,

Backstop

[Crazy_Cabin_Coach]

Here is a link to an article on Ballard Power Systems - go hybrid cars.

http://www.investcom.com/cgi-bin/namein ... es&sym=yes

[Crazy_Cabin_Coach]

Here is a link to learn more about a leader in electric/hybrid fuel cells with competitors listed.

http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyc ... stems.html

I think alternate feul cells have a huge future - it will need to be an equally huge pardigm shift however from buying fossil fuel powerd vehicles.

That said, in my cabin we use goethermal energy units.
http://www.nextenergysolutions.com/

"Stay Close to Nature - It Will Never Fail You" - Frank Lloyd Wright

[BiGG]

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Advanced Battery Technologies, Inc. Successfully Completes Phase One Testing Using Altair's Nanomaterials in Its PLI Batteries

“The testing indicated a significant improvement in recharge time. With Altairnano’s rapid charge Lithium Titanate Spinel electrode nanomaterials, recharge time was approximately 30 to 45 minutes, compared to recharge time for existing ABAT batteries of approximately 3 to 3.5 hours.”

“The conventional ABAT Lithium-ion polymer battery supports a top speed of 75 mph for cars and 62.5 mph for buses and a traveling distance of approximately 200 miles per charge for cars and 150 miles for buses, according to ABAT.”

“In addition to reducing recharge time, Altairnano believes that with rapid charge electrode nanomaterials the typical battery life cycle of 1,000 recharge cycles before any degradation of performance can be increased to 20,000+ cycles.”

Full Story on the link above

[ArimoDave]

BiGG,

Would you please answer those nine crittical questions regarding this technology?

Thanks,

ArimoDave

[BiGG]

BiGG,

Would you please answer those nine crittical questions regarding this technology?

Thanks,

ArimoDave

I have a better one, stop spamming every inappropriate language deleted: Jack post with your ignorant nine questions and try to learn something here. I mentioned before, if you want anything answered from an information source listed, contact them yourself and stop pretending I am your babysitter.

[Starvid]

Excellent range, speed and reload time. How much will they cost?

[ArimoDave]

BiGG,

Would you please answer those nine crittical questions regarding this technology?

Thanks,

ArimoDave

I have a better one, stop spamming every *edit* post with your ignorant nine questions and try to learn something here. I mentioned before, if you want anything answered from an information source listed, contact them yourself and stop pretending I am your babysitter.

The problem is that your sites DO NOT contain enough information. I am trying my best to get
you to realize that. I will continue to bother you with this until you at least try to answer the questions
for yourself and determine whether you should actually post them or not. If you do the analysis,
and from the results determine that the technology is actually practical, then by all means post it.
Also, show us that you did the analysis and what your results were. I would appreciate the information then.
But, I do not like information that is clearly lacking in objectivity.

That is all I ask, and it is relatively simple to do.

ArimoDave

[BiGG]

ArimoDave,

Duh! This is the “Energy Technology” section of the forum, my articles are about “energy technology! Hello? Also, don’t pretend to tell me what I can or cannot post. If you don’t like it, nobody is making you read anything here.

[ArimoDave]

ArimoDave,

Duh! This is the “Energy Technology” section of the forum, my articles are about “energy technology! Hello? Also, don’t pretend to tell me what I can or cannot post. If you don’t like it, nobody is making you read anything here.

But BiGG,

I would like good information to read on this forum, not your usual dribble. I keep hoping that
what is posted will be worthwhile information. I challenge you to post some good information.
Let us see if you can really do it. I expect that if you really tried, you could "blow our socks off"
(so to speak). With some superb information -- something to which we all should pay attention.

ArimoDave

PS, the battery concept seems good on its face, but there remain too many questions as to its
reliability, recyclabilty, energy costs associtated with manufacturing, obtaining raw
materials, shipping, etc.

[cube]

Excellent range, speed and reload time. How much will they cost?

As what JP Morgan would say "If you have to ask how much it costs that means you can't afford it."

"Lithium-ion polymer" the name just sounds expensive $$$ already.

[0mar]

BiGG's understanding of science begins and ends at press releases.

[ArimoDave]

BiGG's understanding of science begins and ends at press releases.

Agreed. But, I have faith (optomistic word) that BiGG is capable of learing the difference. It is just
going to require lots of patience and persistance. Just like BiGG's own tactic of repetive posting of BS
information to get some of us to change from being doomers.

Unfortunately, BiGG just does not understand, yet, the difference between quality infomation and BS.
I cannot believe that any person is incapable of being able to tell the difference. All BiGG needs
to do is honestly try to do a proper analysis. Once BiGG has done that I think BiGG will have an epiphany.

ArimoDave

[Ferretlover]

This is one badass little car. $15K for the car, another $5K or so for some solar panels and you are going places for a long long long time

[pilferage]

1600lbs!?!%#@&^%@
40-60 mile range!?

POS! I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
The problem with say, deploying solar panels is that you could only do it in a protected environment for fear of vandalism/theft. They'd also take a long time to charge. If battery technology and that solar 'paint' takes off, then I'd consider one.
Right now, I'm thinking about building a faired, diesel powered, leaning, recumbent trike.
I figure it'll get me ~400-600mpg and top out at about ~55-65mph.
At that rate, it'll take ~$40 a gallon to equal what I'm paying now. Plus, I can always create my own biodiesel from wvo.

[gnm]

Sounds like an interesting project! I have been considering similar ideas... Do you have any hard plans down yet? type of engine, type of tires, how to best design fairing etc?

-G