THE EEStor Thread (merged)

[drew]

So far, Wikipediais about the best you're going to get on the subject.

There's lots of info out there. Wiki is a good place to start. If you can't weed through the science to even a limited degree, personally I wouldn't be investing.
My 2 cents....
Drew

[TheAntiDoomer]

Since this thread is gone from open discussion, let's start a new one, some interesting latest news:

After Tour of EEStor Facilities, US Congressman John Carter R (TX) says EEStor will "change the entire automotive industry"

http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2009 ... es-us.html

"It is exciting that we have a Central Texas company this close to
revolutionizing transportation as we know it in America. The electric
storage technology that I saw at EEStor can dramatically change the
entire automotive industry and our overall economy when placed in mass
product. I'm looking forward to great things in the very near future
from this company." - U.S. Rep. John Carter (R-TX31)

Jacobs securities-inc-visits-eestor

http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/2009 ... estor.html

In the report, they predict a milestone announcement in September 2009. I asked about the source of this info and Malik points to ZMC but adds that he can't reveal any NDA information concerning certification and testing of components and EESU's. Malik admits that he isn't certain what would be announced if anything but believes that it would be a component or EESU certification. The topic of safety and certification was discussed with EEStor but Malik says that is covered by NDA. In Malik's words, "They've put quite a bit of thought into the safety aspect of it. There are technology and designs in place to address that. That's about as far as I can take that question."

[BigTex]

EEStor will be an interesting story, one way or another.

I'm anxious to see what, if anything, comes from their work.

So far, it's just been noise (though very entertaining noise).

[liammcglynn]

Save us? Hmmm. If we want to continue our profligate use of energy, a storage device cannot save us. In the near term, nothing can save us since we cannot rapidly replenish the BTUs lost from diminishing oil production.
However, EEStor's promise, if delivered, can help to bridge the gap by transferring energy capacity into the transportation sector, the very sector that will suffer when the oil crisis begins. Of course, the production of 100,000 small EVs is not likely to impact commercial transportation but the development of a rapid charge and rapid discharge storage device has applications beyond personal transportation.

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

When the crisis hits, every one of us will want a little ZENN vehicle. So, it could save YOU while the economy crumbles around your spinning wheels.

[mos6507]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

[rangerone314]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

[TheAntiDoomer]

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

Man I need some of whatever you guys are smoking. Seriously mudhuts? LMAO

Back to EESTOR news this is interesting:

http://www.theeestory.com/articles/179

UL in Receipt of Cert Request from EEStor

"We have received a request to certify EEStor's product," said Priya L. Tabaddor, PhD, Global Energy Services, Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.

[rangerone314]

Man I need some of whatever you guys are smoking. Seriously mudhuts? LMAO

[mos6507]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

[TheAntiDoomer]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

or their is the alternative view that a step invention like EESTOR will take society to the next level in technological advancement.

[mos6507]

or their is the alternative view that a step invention like EESTOR will take society to the next level in technological advancement.

Easier said than done.

I think any green tech revolution is likely to only kick the can down the road a little bit until our ecological problems with 10+ billion people become insurmountable.

If we can actually coax the population down, then maybe we can find some safe plateau somewhere comfortably above stone age technology, but again, easier said than done.

[liammcglynn]

EEStor will not save us. It is a great idea that will take time and resources to develop. Because these ideas will not kick into high gear until oil prices are above $100 (or more) per barrel, they cannot scale quickly enough to offset the oil shortfall.

I like to find a few token things to look forward to before TSHTF. This is one of them. An EESTOR off-grid battery bank would be the holy grail for a doomstead. I don't care if it prevents collapse or not as long as I get my hands on one of them, considering that they have virtually unlimited cycle life.

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Will the greatgrandkids know solar power & electricity or will they be living in mudhuts?

Ironically, people with preps are probably just buying themselves time, sort of like what the rich have done.

When oil production falls off the edge, transportation and agriculture will be hardest hit. The wealthy will seed products to prolong their lifestyle while the rest of the world literally starves. Without ready access to refined petroleum products, corporate agriculture will collapse. As the world struggles to adapt, the death toll will be unprecedented. I feel lazy right now so I won't look up some of the articles I have read that compare pre and post industrial agriculture in terms of population support. The differential is horrifying.

Anyway, survival requires clear priorities. Batteries are not at the top of the list though they would be a wonderful convenience. That said, I plan on an EV and commodities to make it through the initial onslaught.

Experts wisely advise a community approach to survival. I may have to climb out of my cave and find some friends - friends with batteries and a farm.

[BigTex]

If everyone's preps work even after a societal collapse, I wonder how long it will take for those preps to breakdown.

Stuff will breakdown, but we have billions of tons of stuff in circulation or in landfills. Even if all industrial activity ceased tomorrow, people would still be finding ways to power cobbled together appliances for the next 100+ years. It will just have to pass through the cost/benefit analysis. People will do the necessary scavenging and tinkering to keep things running that significantly enhance their lives. They may not bother trying to keep electric backscratchers working.

And when problems do arise, we will have a place to settle them.

[pstarr]

these nanothyrister superfrgulistic capacitors are going to change the way we think about our paradigm. and stuff.

[Revi]

Good one Pstarr.

Wasn't Zenn supposed to come out with an Eestore car by now?

What's the holdup?

http://www.zenncars.com/

[mos6507]

I've been following the EESTOR thing closely ever since that meeting recording was leaked. Some of the recent developments include contracting with a company to build the EESU enclosures with the voltage-step-down circuitry for Zenn. Supposedly Zenn should have the first EESUs for internal testing before the end of the year. So I'm really expecting them to take the lid off the subterfuge very soon, or be exposed as a very realistic pump and dump scam, one way or another. But I don't see things festering year upon year anymore.

[BigTex]

I've been following the EESTOR thing closely ever since that meeting recording was leaked. Some of the recent developments include contracting with a company to build the EESU enclosures with the voltage-step-down circuitry for Zenn. Supposedly Zenn should have the first EESUs for internal testing before the end of the year. So I'm really expecting them to take the lid off the subterfuge very soon, or be exposed as a very realistic pump and dump scam, one way or another. But I don't see things festering year upon year anymore.

I'm ready.

[pstarr]

Good one Pstarr.

Wasn't Zenn supposed to come out with an Eestore car by now?

What's the holdup?

http://www.zenncars.com/

It's been the next big deal forever. When is that gall durned tipping point anywho?

[liammcglynn]

The Zenn EEStor solution is a Barite-based ultracapacitor that stores the same energy as Lithium Ion but in one quarter the space. It has rapid charge and discharge capabilities. Barite is important because there are massive stores of it while Lithium is becoming scarce. The ultracapacitor will last for millions of cycles versus the average of only 5,000 for Lithium Ion. Also, it is not subject to deterioration in cold and heat.

EEStor has just submitted its proposed device to Underwriters Laboratories for certification. This is an enormous step toward commercialization.

The highway ZENN will be a five passenger vehicle with a curb weight of around 3,100 pounds. It will have a range of 250 miles and a top speed of 80 mph. The latest word is that we will see it in showrooms in 2010 after an announcement in Fall 2009. The target price for the vehicle is less than $30,000!

Do you think that this will impact the auto industry?

[mos6507]

Zenn is really nothing more than a shell IP company. The highway Zenn will (if it comes out) be nothing but a short-run proof of concept. The true rollout will happen if and when Zenn licenses its drive system to the big players. Zenn will then probably stop producing vehicles and be the dead-weight middle-men that they really are. As it is now, they have produced a tiny number of low speed vehicles.

This weird case of a marginal company being somehow at the right place at the right time to cut a sweetheart deal with EESTOR is what raises suspicions of a pump and dump. I mean, why did Zenn get there first to cut this deal instead of any other company?

But it is what it is.