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The Drought Thread Pt. 2 (merged)

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THE Amazon Thread (merged)

Unread postby something_awfull » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 21:21:42

Amazon drying up

Large parts of the Amazon rainforest are at their driest in living memory, a direct consequence, scientists say, of the severe hurricane season off the US Gulf coast.

Rainfall has been significantly below average this year along the Rio Solimoes and the Rio Madeira, two of the major Brazilian tributaries that flow into the Amazon, causing water levels to drop to record lows. Rivers and lakes are drying up, revealing huge sandbanks and making navigation difficult for boats. Since many towns are only accessible by river, medicine, food and fuel are running out in some communities.

"There is no rain here because the air is descending, which prevents the formation of clouds," said Ricardo Dellarosa, of the Amazon Protection Organisation (Sipam) in Manaus. "The air is descending here because the air is rising very intensely in the north Atlantic, creating storms and hurricanes. What goes up must come down."

Gilvan Sampaio of the National Institute of Space Research said the north Atlantic was slightly warmer than usual, which had shifted the tropical weather system further north. A secondary factor, he added, was that cold fronts that usually came from the south of Brazil at this time of year had not been arriving. "These cold fronts have been heading straight into the ocean, instead of heading north towards the Amazon."

Even though the river levels in the south-western Brazilian Amazon are always low at this time of year, the scale is much worse than usual and has hit areas never previously affected.

"It's the worst it's been in 60 years," said Elpidio Gomes da Silva Filho, head of the Administration of West Amazon Waterways. "The journey along the Madeira should take six days. Now it is taking 15 because only small boats can pass."

The Association of Municipalities in Amazonas state describes the situation as critical in about 10 districts, which have a combined population of about 300,000 in an area roughly the size of France.

In towns such as Humaita, 400 miles south of Manaus on the Rio Madeira, the lush landscape has drastically changed. "A beach has been born in the middle of our town," said Jose Edmee Brasil, the president of the town council. "Before this year I'd never seen the river less than 10 metres deep - now its only 2 metres. This is the biggest drought in our history."

At Tabatinga, 600 miles west of Manaus on the border with Colombia, rainfall is almost 70% down from last year. According to Sipam's quarterly bulletin, released last week, the dry spell was expected to continue into October - hitting the south of Amazonas especially hard.

http://smh.com.au/news/world/amazon-dry ... 32723.html



I guess we can expect some mighty forest-fires in the near future? 8O Can the Amazon forests be considered the 'lungs' of the planet? looks like we're in for a good case of smoke-inhalation. :(
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Re: Amazon drying up

Unread postby MicroHydro » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 21:52:10

As the weather becomes more unstable, both floods and droughts become more common.
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Re: Amazon drying up

Unread postby pilferage » Sun 02 Oct 2005, 21:53:00

something_awfull wrote:I guess we can expect some mighty forest-fires in the near future? 8O Can the Amazon forests be considered the 'lungs' of the planet? looks like we're in for a good case of smoke-inhalation. :(


The oceans seem more apt, but you could call a Subway restroom the lungs of the planet if you'd like... ;)
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Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby something_awfull » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 08:17:38

Mighty Amazon close to running out of water
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A state of emergency has been declared in the Amazon River basin, which is suffering its worst drought in 42 years. More than 1000 towns and hamlets that rely on the river for transport have been cut off as water levels fall, making the river unnavigable. Several major tributaries, as well as parts of the main river itself, contain only a fraction of their normal volumes of water, and lakes are drying up.

The Amazonas Government secretary Jose Melo said hamlets cut off from the outside world by the low river level were running out of drinking water, medical supplies and provisions. The region bakes in intense heat of about 38 degrees at this time of year. The level of the Rio Negro, a tributary of the Amazon, has dropped 12 metres since July to just 16 metres.

The Amazon River, South America's largest, has hit its lowest level in the 36 years since records have been kept near its source in Peru. The Amazon is the second-longest river in the world, after the Nile, but discharges far more water at its mouth than any other. "This drought and its effects are really shocking," said Carlos Rittl, Greenpeace Brazil's climate campaigner. "Towns are lacking food, medicines and fuel because boats cannot get through."

To make matters worse, as the rainforest becomes increasingly dry, damaging wildfires are regularly breaking out across the region, destroying trees. Greenpeace blames deforestation and climate change for the drought. "The Amazon is caught between these two destructive forces, and their combined effects threaten to flip its ecosystems from forest to savannah," Mr Rittl said. link
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby clv101 » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 08:35:09

Photos here: Yahoo News

Also see this graph: link
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 08:40:43

It's not hard to envision a time, several decades down the road, when the Amazon basin will be a vast new desert. Every tree that's cut down brings the region closer to that future.

What a loss. Absolutely criminal.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby eric_b » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 09:28:00

Heineken wrote:It's not hard to envision a time, several decades down the road, when the Amazon basin will be a vast new desert. Every tree that's cut down brings the region closer to that future.

(...)


Safe bet. I can say, that based on satellite imagery, huge portions of amazonia burned this
summer (their winter and dry season).

Parts of Africa, Arabia, China, India and Asia used to be quite lush. They are now near desert.
Amazonia will probably go this route too. H. Sapiens hard at work.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 10:09:35

I think the OP's name sums it up
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby FireJack » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 10:14:14

I can see in the near future as the economies crash the whole "anything goes" mentality that many poor countries have will probably only increase the desertfication of the world. When you cant use money to rob other countries of their natural resouses you can only take you own. Just wait till the US joins the club.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby lorenzo » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 10:18:29

And the Amazing thing is that the Lula government, which is supposed to be left-wing and sane, all blames this on "natural cycles" instead of on global warming. (Just like some American officials blame the record hurricane season - we're at hurricane bèta - on "natural cycles".)

This is the way forward to the annihilation of our species: national governments who all in theory adhere to Kyoto and Global Warming, but who, when it is time to act, close an eye when it hurts their self-interests.

I'm deeply disappointed in the Lula government. I thought they were heroes. They're simple frauds, like all previous Brazilian governments.

Really, these are eco-terrorists of the worst kind.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby sammybolthead » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 11:41:48

FireJack wrote:... you can only take you own. Just wait till the US joins the club.


I certainly don't agree with the softwood lumber disagreement from either side of the border, but as a Canuck, this was first through my mind when they tacked on the prevailing duties. If you really don't want our lumber, just say so. Forcing the US citizens to pay higher overall prices just to force them to buy local is only going to stress the US ecosystem further. Then when it becomes naturally cost prohibitive, even without the duty, to ship our lumber south, local deforestation will continue to increase exponentially.

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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby Cyrus » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 11:43:48

Desert by 2020. Meh. :(
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby frankthetank » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 12:12:43

I don't doubt it either, with the amt of forest clearing thats been going on down there. A growing world population is only going to put more pressure on the last remaining resources..and then what?

One thing to ponder is that these records only go back 42years...which isn't saying much and according to the last 11years of meteo data from Manaus, Brazili the driest months of the year are July, Aug, Sept...with the wettest being Jan, Feb, March.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby fossilnut2 » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 12:27:54

What a bunch of hysterical ramblings. The Amazon is not goint to run out of water in the near or far future. The inability of Peak Oil cultists to keep issues in perspective is almost comical.

Are there problems in the Amazon basin and environmental issues? Yes. Is the Amazon going to run out of water. No.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby perplexd » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 12:55:28

The Nile hasn't run out of water, either.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby Cyrus » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 13:32:52

Desertification is a result of deforestion, not "peak oil cultists".
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby bobcousins » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 13:35:36

fossilnut2 wrote:What a bunch of hysterical ramblings. The Amazon is not goint to run out of water in the near or far future. The inability of Peak Oil cultists to keep issues in perspective is almost comical.

Are there problems in the Amazon basin and environmental issues? Yes. Is the Amazon going to run out of water. No.


Of course, I knew there would be some naysayers along to deny the evidence staring us in the face. If running out means "getting less of", then yes, water in the Amazon basin is indeed running out. As you correctly state it does not need to run out completely to cause major problems.

This is not a one-off that can be blamed on random weather patterns, the same trend is seen globally. Rather than hysteria, consider this a warning. The situation will not improve by itself if we do nothing. We may choose to ignore it, but we have been warned.

As for the Nile; it was climate change that caused the collapse of ancient Egyptian civilsation. The precedents for disaster are right there.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby elroy » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 16:57:45

Fossilnut, just check out the photos and dare say again there isn't a major problem. There's dry cracked soil where there used to be a river delta.
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Re: Mighty Amazon close to running out of water

Unread postby fossilnut2 » Sun 30 Oct 2005, 18:37:30

elroy wrote:Fossilnut, just check out the photos and dare say again there isn't a major problem. There's dry cracked soil where there used to be a river delta.


Who said there are not environmnetal problems? I repeat the Amazon isn't going to run out of water. :roll:

You need to take a few science courses and learn that cherry picking variables doesn't lead to apocalyptic non-sequitors.
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