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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby Cog » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 16:07:46

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Cog wrote:Don't impose or try to impose your socialist solution on me, to whatever particular problem you seem to have, and we will get along famously.

Not Socialism, just treating each other in a kinder and gentler fashion Cog :)


I will buy you a beer and you can do the courtesy of leaving me the hell alone. Do we have a deal?
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 16:19:32

Cog wrote:
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Cog wrote:Don't impose or try to impose your socialist solution on me, to whatever particular problem you seem to have, and we will get along famously.

Not Socialism, just treating each other in a kinder and gentler fashion Cog :)


I will buy you a beer and you can do the courtesy of leaving me the hell alone. Do we have a deal?

Yes a gentleman's deal :)
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 16:37:32

onlooker wrote:
Cog wrote:
onlooker wrote:
Cog wrote:Don't impose or try to impose your socialist solution on me, to whatever particular problem you seem to have, and we will get along famously.

Not Socialism, just treating each other in a kinder and gentler fashion Cog :)


I will buy you a beer and you can do the courtesy of leaving me the hell alone. Do we have a deal?

Yes a gentleman's deal :)

Since when is caring for each other a socialist crime? Cog can even turn the bible into a mean-spirited partisan rant. He needs to put down his twitter.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby onlooker » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 16:45:12

Haha, at the risk of his wrath, 8O ,he might have woken on the wrong side of the bed today
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby Cog » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 17:08:58

I'm a gentle soul, just like the gentle souls who played Congressional baseball last night and said a prayer before the game. Can't we just all get along?
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 18:06:16

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onlooker wrote:But Pstarr everything is great in the suburbs NOW :lol: :lol:

Appeal to Tradition (Argumentum Ad Traditionem; aka Argumentum Ad Antiquitatem) with a touch of Appeal to Authority (argumentum ad verecundiam), because they read that autonomous solar-powered tesla uber EV's don't need oil lol

Can't say as I'm impressed with all the Latin quotes. The language of the form is English. Save your Latin for reunions with the pedophile priest from your childhood.


Those are part of fallacies studied in secondary school.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby pstarr » Fri 16 Jun 2017, 21:15:06

Did he really say that?

"Save your Latin for reunions with the pedophile priest from your childhood."

I have vt on ignore. No wonder.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby aldente » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 00:35:14

what do you mean, or - what do you want to provoke with that comment, Pstarr?

..if I may ask--- just out of couriousity??
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 10:57:07

pstarr wrote:I have vt on ignore.


Who isn't at this point? Like talking to yourself?

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I guess you have shorty and onlooker and a couple other low-level bobble-headers.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 11:18:35

aldente wrote:what do you mean, or - what do you want to provoke with that comment, Pstarr?

..if I may ask--- just out of couriousity??

Didn't vt suggest I've had illicit sexual relations as a child with a member of the priesthood? Or did I misread the comment?
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 12:06:44

pstarr wrote:
aldente wrote:what do you mean, or - what do you want to provoke with that comment, Pstarr?

..if I may ask--- just out of couriousity??

Didn't vt suggest I've had illicit sexual relations as a child with a member of the priesthood? Or did I misread the comment?

I think he is just implying that the priest was a paedophile, not that you were in a relationship with him.
A large number of paedophile priests have been "outed" recently so he is just extending an assumption.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 12:36:06

dolanbaker wrote:
pstarr wrote:
aldente wrote:what do you mean, or - what do you want to provoke with that comment, Pstarr?

..if I may ask--- just out of couriousity??

Didn't vt suggest I've had illicit sexual relations as a child with a member of the priesthood? Or did I misread the comment?

I think he is just implying that the priest was a paedophile, not that you were in a relationship with him.
A large number of paedophile priests have been "outed" recently so he is just extending an assumption.

I was objecting to the use of Latin phrases as means to imply that the poster was better educated or more intelligent then the readers. That Latin is used by priests dose not imply that any child has fallen victim to the pedophiles in the group but of course that is a possibility. The only other use of Latin I see today is in medical anatomy courses which use a hodgepodge of Greek, Latin , English and even German names for body parts and diseases.
At any rate one dose not need to use Latin to be precise in their arguments here so if you can't make your point in English go away.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby pstarr » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 12:58:47

dolanbaker wrote:
pstarr wrote:
aldente wrote:what do you mean, or - what do you want to provoke with that comment, Pstarr?

..if I may ask--- just out of couriousity??

Didn't vt suggest I've had illicit sexual relations as a child with a member of the priesthood? Or did I misread the comment?

I think he is just implying that the priest was a paedophile, not that you were in a relationship with him.

Wrong. He specifically referred to a reunion with a priest from my childhood.
"Save your Latin for reunions with the pedophile priest from your childhood."

And by specifically using the term reunion , vt suggested it would be a voluntary meeting. For the record, I was never f@cked by a male of any religious affiliation. Not even a gentle Buddhist lol
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 13:56:10

pstarr wrote: For the record, I was never f@cked by a male of any religious affiliation. Not even a gentle Buddhist lol

Frankly Scarlet I don't give a dam!
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 13:57:54

vtsnowedin wrote:
pstarr wrote: For the record, I was never f@cked by a male of any religious affiliation. Not even a gentle Buddhist lol

Frankly Scarlet I don't give a dam!


Seems like all these threads eventually revolve around PStarr, which is probably exactly what he wants.

I know I've been guilty of this too, but people just enable him by referring to him as an individual, whether it be his priest history (real or fictional), being a stoner burnout in college (and beyond, considering his location), or being an eco-hypocrite by doing selfies surrounded by clear-cutting and dead sea-mammals. It's all off-topic.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby ralfy » Sat 17 Jun 2017, 21:06:22

vtsnowedin wrote:I was objecting to the use of Latin phrases as means to imply that the poster was better educated or more intelligent then the readers. That Latin is used by priests dose not imply that any child has fallen victim to the pedophiles in the group but of course that is a possibility. The only other use of Latin I see today is in medical anatomy courses which use a hodgepodge of Greek, Latin , English and even German names for body parts and diseases.
At any rate one dose not need to use Latin to be precise in their arguments here so if you can't make your point in English go away.


We learned the Latin and Greek roots of English words in fourth grade and used some of the Latin terms for fallacies in ninth grade.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 00:26:12

ralfy wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:I was objecting to the use of Latin phrases as means to imply that the poster was better educated or more intelligent then the readers. That Latin is used by priests dose not imply that any child has fallen victim to the pedophiles in the group but of course that is a possibility. The only other use of Latin I see today is in medical anatomy courses which use a hodgepodge of Greek, Latin , English and even German names for body parts and diseases.
At any rate one dose not need to use Latin to be precise in their arguments here so if you can't make your point in English go away.


We learned the Latin and Greek roots of English words in fourth grade and used some of the Latin terms for fallacies in ninth grade.

Well you had an excellent education then. I remember diagramming sentences. subject , predicate , conjunction , verbs etc. in sixth grade but the emphasis was on math and history, multiplying and dividing fractions and such. But that was a full fifty years ago and I hardly remember some of the things I wasn't paying all that much attention to on the day it was presented.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby Subjectivist » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 02:38:12

I suspect Suburbia will be here for the rest of most people on this groups remaining lifetimes. Predictionsof its demise firstcame to my attentionwhen Regean was President and people were calling for a rebirth of urbanism.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby dolanbaker » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 07:07:03

Subjectivist wrote:I suspect Suburbia will be here for the rest of most people on this groups remaining lifetimes. Predictions of its demise first came to my attention when Reagan was President and people were calling for a rebirth of urbanism.

I think your spacebar is sticking ;)
Anyway, yes I think that you're correct, but I believe the reasons for this are slightly different.
When suburbs were first developed in the 1940s & 50s, most people would have to had bought a car to enable them to commute to work, shop and everything else. More recently those requirements have diminished as local centres have expanded and work has either disappeared or is more remote working from home or has become localised.

Recent advances in battery technology and the development of the battery gigafactory will soon mean that electric vehicles will be available to all, thus bypassing the "oil crisis, killing suburbia" expectation that we all had a couple of decades ago.

It's looking more likely that suburbs will be where the older, lower skilled and unemployed will tend to migrate to as the urban centres close to where the higher paying jobs are will be unaffordable to these groups of people.

The test if this theory is to look at suburbs in your locality and see if property up for sale is being bought by individuals for owner occupation or institutions for rental. If it is the former, them my theory holds up.

My theory does hold up quite well here in Rural Ireland where property in urban areas is selling for extremely high prices with many (mainly houses that have been repossessed by banks) being bought by institutional investors and rural properties in remote areas (where banks are not bothering to repossess) is selling for low prices.
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Re: The death of suburbia

Unread postby asg70 » Sun 18 Jun 2017, 08:44:36

vtsnowedin wrote:I was objecting to the use of Latin phrases as means to imply that the poster was better educated or more intelligent then the readers.


The one Latin phrase PStarr knows more than any other is ad hominem.
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