THE Cold Fusion Thread pt 4 (merged)

[SeaGypsy]

16,000,000,000 GBP is not a little scam, nor is half a ton of gold. These guys are up there with the banksters. Looking at the above environmental record, they make the banksters look like saints, at least having left some usefull things for someone's use after the scam ran out of gas.

[SeaGypsy]

The only credibility Carl earned around here was with his efforts at exposing the crime of the century, which we have by consensus agreed to keep in it's own domain. Besides this his obsession with 'The Singularity' has earned him the ire of the bulk of (if not all) rationalists on this board. Lately it's all been about spruiking Rossi (see early enthusiam followed by stubborn thickheadedness).

[SeaGypsy]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

[cipi604]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

It is not a singularity regarding the fact that people at defkalion try really hard to do what Rossi does already. As long as the mystery is still in the air, nobody know anything for sure.
A scam it is not a scam until we have at least one person robbed of money.

[SeaGypsy]

I guess Petrodragon was as Rossi alleges, a clear attempt to discredit his advanced energy device, not a multi billion dollar scam? Please read what has been posted before posting. Can you refute any/ all or can anyone else here/ Rossi's connection with Petrodragon? Then trust anything he says or anyone in his camp says?

[vision-master]

President Obama’s State of the Union speech:

“I’m directing my administration to allow the development of clean energy on enough public land to power 3 million homes. And I’m proud to announce that the Department of Defense, the world’s largest consumer of energy, will make one of the largest commitments to clean energy in history — with the Navy purchasing enough capacity to power a quarter of a million homes a year.”

Didn't Rossi sell that big LENR to the US Navy?

[Alcassin]

Blinkybill, apparently it's not that Focardi you are refering to
However the one you try to refer is:
http://www.df.unibo.it/personale/prof_emeriti.htm

I call him "the alchemist"

[cipi604]

I guess Petrodragon was as Rossi alleges, a clear attempt to discredit his advanced energy device, not a multi billion dollar scam? Please read what has been posted before posting. Can you refute any/ all or can anyone else here/ Rossi's connection with Petrodragon? Then trust anything he says or anyone in his camp says?

I do believe that he tried to make money legit with Petroldragon ... but , you know, shit happens, it is not the first plant of such kind to go bust. Still , leaving along the past, the present includes Defkalion which adds to the pro-Rossi argument. Less of a scam chance if more people with tonnes of money are involved. They already are rich guys (in a minimal way of saying they do not beg on the streets for a living).

Let's say I give a 1:10 chance for this story to turn into real industry. If it wasn't for Defkalion the chance would be a lot less than that, but still viable to make me wait for a result.

Not a single argument to prove it is a scam has been put out there. And not a single argument to prove it is real also.

[dsula]

Not a single argument to prove it is a scam has been put out there.

Hahaha. Now THAT was funny.

[SeaGypsy]

Ok then, I have a new product I want to flog.
It's a bike, a 'RudyTesslerMobile (TM)' which extracts kinetic energy from friction!
You give it a kick and get it moving, kinetic energy takes over and you barely need touch the pedals to zip around all day!
It's truly great as you can see in this home made video done at the Labs of Warrnambool University. Available for reselling by next Christmas! Give us a call on these encrypted lines so we can arrange your order and where you can send your deposit.

[SeaGypsy]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

24 hours later Carl has 1 half hearted defender.

[cipi604]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

24 hours later Carl has 1 half hearted defender.

I am not defending or accusing anyone, I'm on my own endeavor and a mere spectator.

[SeaGypsy]

Watching a football game and getting to 3/4 time and your drinkin' buddy elbows you: you just shrug and say "I'm just watching." Yeah right. Either you were drifting off or you don't have a clue about football.

[cipi604]

Evidence FOR the Rossi-Ecat / Dekalfion-Hyperion widget

Verifiable test results without any possibility of hanky panky................... NOT A FREAKING CRACKER

2nd hand anecdotal evidence from gullible observers............................................ QUITE A LOT

Repetition of 2nd hand anecdotal evidence from gullible observers.....GONE VIRAL ALL OVER THE WEB

Evidence AGAINST the Rossi-Ecat / Dekalfion-Hyperion widget

Rossi is a convicted criminal fraudster with a track record of claiming phoney inventions.
Rossi has no scientific qualifications except those that he bought from a DIPLOMA MILL
Dekaflion was set up by Rossi as a front to sell dealerships.
Rossi's high maintenance floozy is a director of Dekaflion.
"Patents" (not granted) are held by Rossi's floozy.
Blinky Bill says it's a scam, and he knows about these things.

I rest my case m'lud.

I think you increase the complexity of the problem by quite a bit. Make it simple, Rossi and Defkalion are competitors, and there is no God Father mastermind in this story. They act like stupid people, scared of showing what they have , because probably they have something.

[SeaGypsy]

I think you increase the complexity of the problem by quite a bit. Make it simple, Rossi and Defkalion are competitors, and there is no God Father mastermind in this story. They act like stupid people, scared of showing what they have , because probably they have something.

I thought you were asleeep, now I know you are a somnambulist. We aren't talking about little packets of whitish crystal.

[Cog]

They act like stupid people, scared of showing what they have , because probably they have something.

I'd be happy if they just showed me a picture of their E-Cat factory that is supposedly cranking out 1MW E-Cats night and day.

[Cog]

I guess I'll have to have the utility company turn the gas and electric back on. No SunCube for me.

[Schadenfreude]

137 Films

The Believers begins in March of 1989, when two respected chemists from the University of Utah stand in front of a wall of reporters; flashbulbs pop as the pair --- one shy, the other cracking jokes--- announce a startling claim: they have solved the world’s energy problems using seawater, batteries, and the mysterious glass contraption they hold proudly in their hands. “Cold Fusion” is born. Within days, Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann are on the cover of Time Magazine. But in three short months, their careers are in tatters, their reputations ruined, and Cold Fusion is synonymous with "bad science."

Twenty-two years later, despite mainstream science's continued disdain, professional and amateur scientists, a high school whiz kid, and a Hollywood-based internet DJ are confident that Cold Fusion can still save the world, and that we are closer than ever to the Holy Grail of civilization. They're the Believers.

Trailer at the link.

[vision-master]

It's called knowledge filtering...............

[Cog]

is there anybody left on this thread besides cut & paste bill?
The thread used to be fun...

We are following this fast breaking story. All points of view deserve to be heard on the matter.