THE Cold Fusion Thread pt 4 (merged)

[Schadenfreude]

Defkalion appear to invite truly independent third party tests of their multi stage LENR reaction device

Summary of what successful independent tests and commercialization means

Defkalion has announced that they will commercialize low energy nuclear reactions.
An energy catalyzer that produces over 20 times the power that is put into it. Just before commercialization later this year, Defkalion is inviting what appears to be truly independent third party tests.

This relates to the buzz about the Rossi energy catalyzer. Defkalion and Rossi were partners but then they split.

If this is proved and the commercial devices work as promised then the world will be massively changed. Over the next few years as factories spring up around the world, the basic energy technology will be transformed.

It would also mean access to space would be transformed with the energy source being millions of times more energy dense than chemicals. Energy prices over the next several years could fall by ten to one hundred times. This would cause a global economic boom. Concerns about air pollution, peak oil, resource limitations would fade as energy capacity and availability would increase by thousands of times. The air pollution issues would go away as coal and natural gas plants and engines for cars are all replaced.

[Schadenfreude]

Defkalion forum

1. Our availability for such testing is from today, any day, within the next two months.

2. This series of tests will be performed in one of our labs in Athens, Greece.

3. Independent testing means, by definition, third party calibrated instruments. That is what we expect do be defined in the mutually agreed test protocols with the testers/evaluators.

4. Testing will be on "bare" Hyperion reactors without it's coolant interface. Please note Hyperion specs on our definition on "reactor" and "kernel". The last includes the coolant interface requiring the rest of the Hyperion subsystems to operate/perform. Such kernel and the rest of Hyperion subsystems testing as a total system, including flow calorimetry, will follow Hyperion's certification.

Both test Reactors will be measured (weight and all their dimensions) before and after their testing. Testers/evaluators may inspect the inner of the reactors during their "role switch".

5. We announced expected reactor's COP far more than 20, not 20. The reactors to be tested will be of the same version as the ones referred in our spec sheet. We will leave their exact COP to be calculated by the independent testers.

Any other detailed technical or procedural question on our press release will be answered only through direct mails to named representatives of organizations inquiring tests.

Thank you

[kublikhan]

Yet another Rossi lie exposed. He never paid the University of Bologna for e-cat testing.

Andrea Rossi, an Italian man who claims to have invented a practical low-energy nuclear reaction device, will not have his device tested and evaluated by the University of Bologna. Last summer, Rossi said he had started a research contract with the university to allow its researchers to study his “Energy Catalyzer.” But that didn’t happen.

Today, Dario Braga, director of scientific research at the university, told New Energy Times that the university waited long enough. It terminated the contract because Rossi did not fulfill his agreement to make the first progress payment, Braga said. “The contract ended on January 15 and has been canceled by the university,” Braga said. “Therefore, there is no further relationship between the university and Rossi or his company.”

Technology journalist Mats Lewan reported in Ny Teknik on March 10, 2011, that Rossi “is now paying 500,000 Euros to the Physics Department of Bologna University, following a new agreement.” But Rossi apparently lied to his fans last March about the university contract. No contract was signed in March. Paolo Capiluppi, the head of the University of Bologna Physics Department, signed the contract at the end of May, and Rossi signed it on June 21, 2011.

University of Bologna Terminates Relationship With Rossi

[Schadenfreude]

Nyteknik

Defkalion offers testing of cold fusion reactors

The Greek company Defkalion has invited scientific and business organizations to test the core technology in its forthcoming energy products. The products are based on LENR – Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.

In a press release on January 23, Defkalion has invited "internationally recognized and reputable scientific and business organizations" from now and two months ahead, to do independent testing with their own instruments on the reactors used in the Defkalion's forthvcoming energy device, "Hyperion".

The apparatus is according to Defkalion based on "Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel and Hydrogen Nuclei", a technology supposedly developed by the company after the termination of the agreement on production and distribution of Andrea Rossi's "E-cat" last summer.

Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, or LENR, is the term used in recent years instead of the more controversial "cold fusion", a new type of nuclear reactions that there is still little knowledge about.

Measurements will be made on the "bare" reactor without cooling, and according to Defkalion temperatures above 650°C will be reached, and also a power development that is far more than 20 times the input electrical power required to start the reaction (COP).

Defkalion describes a test method known as "Differential thermal analysis". The intention is to measure the difference between power development in a reactor loaded with fuel and one that is empty and only heated by the resistor needed to start the reaction, and then repeat the measurement after the reactors have been switched.

The description in the press release, however, is scant and partly incorrect.

In addition to power measurement, alpha and gamma radiation will be measured, and the reactors will be weighed, measured, and also opened.

Test protocols will be published before tests and the results may be published freely by invited evaluators.

Defkalion maintains that independent testing of the finished Hyperion products, which were presented in November 2011, will be made in the beginning of this year after certification of the products. Final products are supposed to be ready for market in 2012.

[Cog]

3. Independent testing means, by definition, third party calibrated instruments. That is what we expect do be defined in the mutually agreed test protocols with the testers/evaluators.

No, that is not what independent testing means. I can buy all sorts of calibrated instruments from a third party. An independent test means giving the device(as it is being sold) to a independent third party and see if they can generate useful energy from it.

Pure scam talk from Defkalion.

[Schadenfreude]

No, that is not what independent testing means. I can buy all sorts of calibrated instruments from a third party. An independent test means giving the device(as it is being sold) to a independent third party and see if they can generate useful energy from it.

That is essentially what defkalion says is going to happen.

they claim a COP of far greater than 20. Incredible. Stay tuned.

[Cog]

Without true independent testing, their claims are irrelevant.

[Schadenfreude]

Without true independent testing, their claims are irrelevant.

We'll just have to wait and see. that's what we do here in this thread; we watch these events unfold.

Honestly, I don't know why everyone complains about the mere existence of this fascinating story. It's really happening; I'm not making any of this bs up. So why ignore it? I don't like to be ignorant.

[Alcassin]

Without true independent testing, their claims are irrelevant.

They have also stated that no calorimetry tests will be done. It's beyond ludicrous.

[kublikhan]

Without true independent testing, their claims are irrelevant.

We'll just have to wait and see. that's what we do here in this thread; we watch these events unfold.

Honestly, I don't know why everyone bitches about the mere existence of this fascinating story. It's really happening; I'm not making any of this bullshit up. So why ignore it? I don't like to be ignorant.

Like Cog said, without independent testing, the only thing that's really happening are claims. It's really not all that fascinating that some guy claims to have magic beans. As Mark Twain once said: "A gold mine is a hole in the ground with a liar standing next to it."

[Schadenfreude]

Best get out of the way then! The Ass is now looking less confident and may have already taken a bullet.

You're a lunatic.

I'm following events having to do with cold fusion in the cold fusion thread at PO.com.

[SeaGypsy]

I want one for my boat. Let me know if the Ass does ok and those dang scientists quit delaying the patents in this obvious conspiracy to destroy the planet and the economy, once the Ass finally hauls the kit somewhere credible (not looking likely now with multiple bullets and shot spray in the rump).

[EnergyUnlimited]

I just don't like to be ignorant.

But it is better to concentrate on developments carrying a reasonably high chance of success.
Cold fusion/LENR is not one of these.

We are just observing some great mystification and nothing useful is going to come out of this.

[SeaGypsy]

Prepared to form a Corporate Person, in the target host country, to allow some semblance of legality with the added bonus for us of having a local fall guy when the ass finally falls off the Ass.

[Daniel_Plainview]

Don't know whether this was posted ...

University of Bologna Terminates Relationship With Rossi
Posted on January 24, 2012 by Steven B. Krivit

Andrea Rossi, an Italian man who claims to have invented a practical low-energy nuclear reaction device, will not have his device tested and evaluated by the University of Bologna.

Last summer, Rossi said he had started a research contract with the university to allow its researchers to study his “Energy Catalyzer.” But that didn’t happen. Today, Dario Braga, director of scientific research at the university, told New Energy Times that the university waited long enough. It terminated the contract because Rossi did not fulfill his agreement to make the first progress payment, Braga said.

“The contract ended on January 15 and has been canceled by the university,” Braga said. “Therefore, there is no further relationship between the university and Rossi or his company.”

In October, Rossi claimed that he sold a device to an unidentified customer, but there is no factual evidence to support this. Rossi’s failure to make a payment to the university casts doubt on the sale.

Throughout 2011, Rossi devised secretive and increasingly elaborate “E-Cats” that he claimed were producing high levels – in fact commercially viable levels – of excess heat. He arranged several press conferences and paid for invited foreign professors to visit.

But the tests were never long enough, the data was always poor and the devices were always too complicated to allow a definitive conclusion in Rossi’s favor. Regardless, Rossi captured the hearts and goodwill of fans and believers worldwide.

Technology journalist Mats Lewan reported in Ny Teknik on March 10, 2011, that Rossi “is now paying 500,000 Euros to the Physics Department of Bologna University, following a new agreement.”

But Rossi apparently lied to his fans last March about the university contract. No contract was signed in March. Paolo Capiluppi, the head of the University of Bologna Physics Department, signed the contract at the end of May, and Rossi signed it on June 21, 2011.

Hanno Essén, a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology who was paid by Rossi to come to Bologna to evaluate his device, told New Energy Times on July 15, 2011, how he thought Rossi was planning to pay for the university research.

“According to what I heard,” Essén said, “the University of Bologna contract will become active in late October, because then Rossi will get money from Athens, but this is only speculation. According to the schedule I heard, nothing will happen until October.”

But the Greek connection, Defkalion, fizzled long before October. Defkalion failed to make its first scheduled payment to Rossi on Aug. 1. The following week, Rossi made a connection with an American investor, John Preston of Quantum Energy Technologies, but that fizzled, too.

Rossi met with Preston Aug. 2-4 in Boston and drew up an agreement and defined test parameters. On Rossi’s invitation, Preston and his colleagues went to see and test Rossi’s device on Sept. 5 and 6. But it didn’t work, and they left.

On Oct. 7, a month after Preston walked away, Ny Teknik reported that Rossi canceled the agreement with Preston.

“We had a preliminary agreement with a very important party in the U.S.,” Rossi said, “but when we received the final draft, it included conditions that our lawyers said that we should not accept.”

[SeaGypsy]

16,000,000,000 GBP is not a little scam, nor is half a ton of gold. These guys are up there with the banksters. Looking at the above environmental record, they make the banksters look like saints, at least having left some usefull things for someone's use after the scam ran out of gas.

[SeaGypsy]

The only credibility Carl earned around here was with his efforts at exposing the crime of the century, which we have by consensus agreed to keep in it's own domain. Besides this his obsession with 'The Singularity' has earned him the ire of the bulk of (if not all) rationalists on this board. Lately it's all been about spruiking Rossi (see early enthusiam followed by stubborn thickheadedness).

[SeaGypsy]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

[cipi604]

Let all who would speak now in defense of Carl's hyping on 'The Singularity' or 'ECAT' please step forth and raise their hand? (allow 24 hours to be fair?)

It is not a singularity regarding the fact that people at defkalion try really hard to do what Rossi does already. As long as the mystery is still in the air, nobody know anything for sure.
A scam it is not a scam until we have at least one person robbed of money.

[SeaGypsy]

I guess Petrodragon was as Rossi alleges, a clear attempt to discredit his advanced energy device, not a multi billion dollar scam? Please read what has been posted before posting. Can you refute any/ all or can anyone else here/ Rossi's connection with Petrodragon? Then trust anything he says or anyone in his camp says?