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THE Coal Thread pt 3 (merged)

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 29 Apr 2017, 23:41:59

Syn - Actually Mexico has been exporting coal sporadically since at least 1980. Not much volume until 2011: 267,000 tons.

https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?coun ... ph=exports

No idea if expanding with US coal would be practical. But found this:

http://www.sightline.org/2014/05/15/prb ... gh-mexico/

New coal export proposal may signal desperation over Northwest terminals.

"According to an article in a coal trade publication last week, a private firm has announced plans to open a coal export terminal in Guaymas, Mexico. The project aims to ship 30 million tons of coal per year to Asia, sourced from the Powder River Basin and other mining regions in the western US."

{But adds} "In today’s market, coal companies simply can’t ship PRB coal to Asia through Guaymas without losing their shirts. The transportation costs are too high, and the prices that PRB coal would receive in Asia are too low."
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 07:03:51

ROCKMAN wrote:Syn - Actually Mexico has been exporting coal sporadically since at least 1980. Not much volume until 2011: 267,000 tons.

https://www.indexmundi.com/energy/?coun ... ph=exports

No idea if expanding with US coal would be practical. But found this:

http://www.sightline.org/2014/05/15/prb ... gh-mexico/

New coal export proposal may signal desperation over Northwest terminals.

"According to an article in a coal trade publication last week, a private firm has announced plans to open a coal export terminal in Guaymas, Mexico. The project aims to ship 30 million tons of coal per year to Asia, sourced from the Powder River Basin and other mining regions in the western US."

{But adds} "In today’s market, coal companies simply can’t ship PRB coal to Asia through Guaymas without losing their shirts. The transportation costs are too high, and the prices that PRB coal would receive in Asia are too low."


Interesting, this is the first time I have heard of Mexico serving as just the export terminal for USA companies, I thought they just shipped out their own coal.

Prices for coal shipped to Asia TODAY might be too low to make a profit but as the ROCKMAN has pointed out a few times these type of big projects usually come with a 15 or 25 year long contract for supply at a minimum price. I know that big relatively new cargo container port in Florida made a lot of long term contracts with Chinese companies before they invested all that money to build the facilities. The plan in Florida is to gather in the traffic that would have gone to Baltimore or New York City that is resulting from the expansion of the Panama Canal which opened last year. Unlike most states on the eastern seaboard Florida was eager to build facilities for the increased traffic, the NIMBY disease seems to get significant pushback from government there.

So if this company is serious about exporting coal from Guyumas I would suspect they have already lined up some long term contracts to cover the costs of getting the project in motion.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Satori » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 07:18:39

recommended reading
Coal: A Human History
by Barbara Freese

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/376067.Coal
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 30 Apr 2017, 07:52:07

Satori wrote:recommended reading
Coal: A Human History
by Barbara Freese

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/376067.Coal


I will think about it for historical perspective, but it was published over 13 years ago and a heck of a lot has happened in world coal trade and use since then.
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