THE Chevron Thread (merged)

by **Leanan** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:45:22

Here are links to the ads in question:

http://www.willyoujoinus.com/downloads/manifesto.pdf

http://www.willyoujoinus.com/downloads/twobarrels.pdf

It really does sound as if Chevron is admitting that peak oil is here.

by **trendal** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:49:31

Lol! Yeah I saw that yesterday on their main page, and sent out an email to all my friends informing them of the situation.

NONE, not ONE of them was willing to believe me before...but show them a Chevron page saying the same thing...and they're instant PO fanatics :lol:

by **Cyrus** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 12:53:55

Lol! Yeah I saw that yesterday on their main page, and sent out an email to all my friends informing them of the situation.

NONE, not ONE of them was willing to believe me before...but show them a Chevron page saying the same thing...and they're instant PO fanatics

If only this Aruba girl hadn't gone missing, maybe this would be getting more mainstream coverage.

by **LadyRuby** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 13:01:40

trendal wrote:NONE, not ONE of them was willing to believe me before...but show them a Chevron page saying the same thing...and they're instant PO fanatics

Great idea, I'm going to send the ads to my husband. If I can't convince him maybe Chevron can!

by **trendal** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 14:29:01

LadyRuby wrote:Great idea, I'm going to send the ads to my husband. If I can't convince him maybe Chevron can!

I try to include the following bit of wisdom. It has helped convince a few more friends (and TWO immediate family members!) in the past 24 hours where almost a year of my prodding had not convinced them of anything.

I say to them, "major oil companies do NOT start talking about running out of oil unless they are already running out."

Seems to work for me, so you might try it

by **Aaron** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 15:01:47

Although they didn't see fit to publish my comments...

by **Ardalla** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 16:17:30

Well, this is an interesting ad isn't it? I would have expected them to say we've used 1T barrels and we have to redouble our efforts to find more and more. But I don't see any mention of increased exploration efforts. They talk about alternative energies and conservation.

However, the math they use is suspect. It took 125 years to consume 1T barrels. Thirty years for the next 1T? Ok, they are just using simple math and not mentioning demand destruction. Also they are NOT saying there will not be another one trillion waiting in the wings after the second trillion is consumed. They are trying to make an easy to understand point in hopes that people will not get lost in the convolutions of PO arguments.

This is a PR piece and not a scientific paper, but they are to be applauded for at least trying to hint at the truth. A definite step forward.

by **shakespear1** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 16:32:00

Something is strange there because several days ago I put in my penny's worth but do not see my comments there.

When I went there the site only had 8 comments before I put my in. :evil:

by **dmtu** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:02:02

Aaron,

Surely you didn't expect them to publish one word from a well known misanthrope from peakoil.com.

They know who you are...... THEY KNOW.

by **I_Like_Plants** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:11:03

I'm glad to see Chevron speaking up. Chevron, if an oil company can be loved by the public, is probably the closest to being so. Remember Chevron with Techron and the talking cars? Way before that, I had a "thing" for Chevron gas, I felt my motorcycles ran better on it, may or may not have been true lol.

by **The_Toecutter** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 17:57:34

Doesn't anyone at all find this to be soaked in irony?

by **Sparaxis** » Tue 12 Jul 2005, 21:26:38

It's not just a scam or a front. Chevron knows the score, and they are trying a tact to distinguish themselves from the other big guys. BP's "Beyond Petroleum" just didn't cut it.

Last month I gave a talk to the Independent Petroleum Association's annual meeting. On my panel was a guy from Chevron corporate headquarters here in the Bay Area. His talk was Chevron's view of world supply and demand. It was hedged throughout with "ifs" and "possiblies" and "difficults" and basically said everything but peak oil. When he sat down, I turned to him and said, "You know, that was a really gloomy outlook". He just shrugged and said that's how they see things now.

It did give me a chance to engage an ex-ARCO guy over lunch about peak oil. By the end of the meal he had swung 80% around from having dismissed the idea before. And I told him that my favorite line of his presentation was "Incremental crude export demand to Asia in 2020 will be equal to the entire exports of the Middle East today. We need to find another Middle East". He didn't even see how odd a statement that was until I pointed it out.

Anyway, I think Chevron's doing the right thing by pushing the issue out there.

by **lorenzo** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 11:24:41

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Ok, me so confused. I just watched CNN and there was this ad by Chevron in which this major terror-oil company warns us about Peak Oil.
It has launched a website (willyoujoinus.com) where we are invited to discuss this issue.

What's hidden agenda here? Does anyone have a clue? I don't trust this.

by **AirlinePilot** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 11:48:30

There is another thread about this around here somewhere. I think it's a bold step by a company willing to come to the fore with the truth. One of the participants in the other thread said that during a conference he attended (industry related) he asked a Chevron employee why the gloomy outlook? He said it's just the way they see things now (PO)

I find it rather interesting and did not think that acknowledgement would come so quickly from major oil companies. I don't find it surprising thanks to how my eyes have been opened here.

by **Leanan** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 12:57:35

Although they didn't see fit to publish my comments...

Do you mean DailyKos?

You can't post comments there until you 1) register then 2) wait for awhile. I forget what the amount of time is. Three days, a week, something like that. It's a spam and troll control measure.

Once you are past that, you can post anything and your comments will be immediately visible. (You have to wait awhile longer before you can post a diary.)

It's an incredibly busy site. Most of their "moderating" is automated, or community-driven. For example, you can rate others' comments. If you get lots of 4's (the highest rating), you become a "trusted user," which means you can give posts 0 ratings. A post that has a rating lower than 1 becomes invisible, so the trusted users basically have the power to delete posts. For the most part, this means moderators aren't necessary. Which is a good thing, because anyone trying to moderate a site that active would go nuts.

by **DriveElectric** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 13:12:58

There is nothing particularly surprising about an oil company discussing Peak Oil.

What's hidden agenda here? Does anyone have a clue? I don't trust this.

Lorenzo, your statement seems to be based on the underlying assumption that Chevron is evil and must have an ulterior motive. Did you ever consider the concept that perhaps there are people working at Chevron who are also concerned about the future?

Actually, oil companies stand to make an absolutely fortune with $100 oil. Most of their oil projects are based on being profitable with oil at $15. So anything higher than that is a bonus. Even if production drops 5%, a doubling of the price of oil to $100 makes an oil company just filthy rich.

by **tdrive** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 15:44:11

...a doubling of the price of oil to $100 makes an oil company just filthy rich.

... you mean the shareholders. The company is just a piece of paper.
There is a big difference.

Cheers,

by **lotrfan55345** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 15:51:51

DriveElectric wrote: Did you ever consider the concept that perhaps there are people working at Chevron who are also concerned about the future?

Nah... thats impossible.

by **I_Like_Plants** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 17:35:41

You could be cynical and say that if the general populace knows how oil's getting harder to get, they won't object so much to paying more for it.

I think this is why chevron is doing this, they can charge more with less complaints if people see what's going on. It has the benefit of getting the message out to more people, which is good, and Chevron's campaign may even help keep prices down, through demand destruction.

by **thequietkid10** » Wed 13 Jul 2005, 22:37:26

While I am all for Peak Oil awarness....

I think there is another motive behind this.

Think about it. Two gas stations, Chevron and Exxon, same cost, maybe Chevron is even more expensive by a few cents, but one has a site about Peak Oil the other is criticized for having absoultely no money invested in alternatives, and is consitered the epidimy of "Big Oil."

Where do you want to by your gas?

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