THE Chevron Thread (merged)

[Grimnir]

Um; I'm almost positive this is a hoax.

Edit: The domain is registered to "Young and Rubicam"; an advertisting agency in NY NY. Does that suggest anything to anyone? (it doesn't to me)

[tb]

I am not surprised that Chevron created this website. A coworker who was a former reservoir engineer at Chevron USA and I (a former wireline logging engineer who wore BLUE coveralls, not RED) discussed the 2008 peak many times. These discussions took place in 2000 and 2001.

Folks, people throughout the petroleum industry are talking about peak oil, and many, if not most, could be characterized as pessimists. People in my company's natural gas division are actively discussing peak oil, peak gas, and their ramifications on the company's future.

I don't recall where my friend first learned of peak oil, but I will never forget where I did- it was at a training school in Lafayette, LA, in December 1997. The peak was forecast for 2008, and the curves presented looked like those on the ASPO newsletter.

[Petro]

Bloody scary stuff! They got "Human Energy" TM:ed for gods sake! I thought it was a joke from some pundit here at first ...

Well, one thing is for sure: I will neither register nor post anything on THAT site! Sounds like "Arbeit macht frei", but first you will have a quick shower...

These guys are not known for their particularly high ethical standards when going about with their business.

You do realize that by: Human Energy, they are referring to the collective Human [thought] Energy in the form of ideas and research. Not slave labor...jeesh. It's a metaphor

[MacG]

You do realize that by: Human Energy, they are referring to the collective Human [thought] Energy in the form of ideas and research. Not slave labor...jeesh. It's a metaphor

Hmpfhh.. Yes, I realize that they made that association. Then my own little weird mind made spanking new associations. such as: "Do they intend to make airplanes fly by THINKING?"

[twofiftyfive]

Um; I'm almost positive this is a hoax.

Edit: The domain is registered to "Young and Rubicam"; an advertisting agency in NY NY. Does that suggest anything to anyone? (it doesn't to me)

One of their clients is ChevronTexaco. Go here and click "Client Partners".

[Grimnir]

I no longer believe this is a hoax. The domain is registered to a legitimate company in NY that makes its living developing websites for corporations. If it's not a hoax, it's rather unsettling to say the least...

Edit: cross-posted with 255, but looks like we came to the same conclusion.

[shakespear1]

I work for that BLUE coverall company and most of the engineers overseas that I came in contact with don't think very deeply about the problem.

I broached the subject once in 2001 and the discussion lasted all 10-15 minutes. Then we went on to build a reservoir geologic model. In other words it was not something high on our agenda. WORK was.

Besides, the BLUE company is not in the business of warning oil companies they work for that they are going to have a problem. BUSINESS.

However this information is usefull to them in cutting costs to maximize profit!!!!!

[MacG]

[tin_foil_hat_off]

OK, it seem to be well funded and they seem to intend to make a lot of noise in TV and elsewhere. It IS terribly interesting and clearly a breach with everything previously said and done by ANY big corporation. I arrive at two immediate comments:

1) Will they also get to feel the force of Denial? I guess they will. This is really an acid-test for the Denial Theory (which I happen to nurture close to my heart).

2) Wait a minute - are THEY asking US for help??!! I always thought that some experts would provide handy solutions to this PO mess. Does this mean that they ALSO are completely clueless? [/irony]

[/tin_foil_hat_off]

[Petro]

[tin_foil_hat_off]

OK, it seem to be well funded and they seem to intend to make a lot of noise in TV and elsewhere. It IS terribly interesting and clearly a breach with everything previously said and done by ANY big corporation. I arrive at two immediate comments:

1) Will they also get to feeling the force of Denial? I guess they will. This is really an acid-test for the Denial Theory (which I happen to nurture close to my heart).

2) Wait a minute - are THEY asking US for help??!! I always thought that some experts would provide handy solutions to this PO mess. Does this mean that they ALSO are completely clueless? [/irony]

[/tin_foil_hat_off]

as for number 2: maybe...rather they would like US citizens to believe that they are asking for help. They know that people like an issue and love to feel part of the process. Just look at the left/right paradigm used on the masses with respect to politics. It keeps one's energy focused on the positive, which is tantamount to distraction

[tb]

I work for that BLUE coverall company and most of the engineers overseas that I came in contact with don't think very deeply about the problem.

I broached the subject once in 2001 and the discussion lasted all 10-15 minutes. Then we went on to build a reservoir geologic model. In other words it was not something high on our agenda. WORK was.

We didn't talk much about it either. Drinking took up most of our time when were not working or sleeping- and we put in many 100+ hour work weeks. It was after I left the Blue and met my ex-Chevron buddy that I was able to discuss what this whole website is about.

Good Luck, Shakespeare1. I reckon you're one busy bee at this time. As for me, I'm glad I'm out of that ratrace. It is good to sleep every night.

[lowem]

edit: one other thing. look at the Chevron logo in the lower corner of the page, then read the tagline "Human Energy." That gave me the willies when I read that.

Yes, noticed that too. So ... "Human Energy" is going to be the future, huh.

[Raxozanne]

Yes, noticed that too. So ... "Human Energy" is going to be the future, huh.

Yes that's right we will all have Chevron tattooed on our foreheads and be sent to work in the coal mines.

[Barbara]

This is VERY serious. It's the news of the day.
1) I worked for Young & Rubicam Italy some years ago as a copywriter. It's the BIGGEST advertising agency in the whole planet. They are deadly serious... and Chevron spent an HUGE amount of money if they called Y&R to do this;
2) I called my uncle who works at RaiNews24, the main news italian network: his eyes popped when I told him the Chevron site news. He rushed to check the site, they are going to air the news on the evening news this evening;
3) The site is NOT intended for US people only; I've read around and they're planning to make the site in other languages. This thing looks like a PLANETARY THINK-TANK. Maybe it's just a stupid PR trick to launch their new pay-off (Human Energy... which I find quite scary. They definitely need to test it a bit more...), but the idea is overwhelming.

Those people dunno what to do with their company and their oil; they're scared as hell of an economy crash before they can sell that pricey oil.

Last: my uncle was seriously worried when I told him of the site, the Bush speech and the Toyota announce coming all together. Today is a day to remember.

[OilsNotWell]

This is amazing....send this to any of your 'doubter' acquaintenances...

If they still dismiss this turnabout by saying the Chevron 'just trying to be a good corporate citizen'...well, then...they're too stupid to ever 'get it' until they drive up to the pump and wonder why mandatory rationing has been instituted...

[PenultimateManStanding]

Wasn't it Chevron that wanted to buy out Unocal? Maybe they are trying to up the level of concern to keep the Chinese out of the Unocal picture.

[El_Producto]

I'm fucking stunned. Did they just put this up today?

[Barbara]

Discussion going on here:
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic9612.html

[Barbara]

mmm....
it sounds like a coworked effort.
I've read the two articles on the Chevron site and they say in sum:
- yes, there's a problem with oil, but still we dunno reserves, dunno discoveries, dunno recoverability, so dunno dunno and can't say "peak oil".
- on the other side, we have this global warming problem, see? no rain, too much rain, no sun, too much sun, so we must solve it... how? reducing oil use!!!!

EXACTLY THE SAME SPEECH BUSH GAVE TODAY.

These people all agreed to face peak oil at last. But they're doing it in a way so they don't scare those ass*oles of economists and the markets.
They're walking on eggs... and if this is Plan B, then we're screwed.

[EnergySpin]

Wait a minute - are THEY asking US for help??!! I always thought that some experts would provide handy solutions to this PO mess. Does this mean that they ALSO are completely clueless

My 2 c; for the last week or so (along with other people in this forum) we have been playing with the models they use for forecasting.
Tricky stuff, the equations are not fun to work with ... but the outcomes were as follows:
1) You can use the STATE OF THE ART models to generate any picture you want. I really think that these guys believed the USGS data .... if you were to publish these analysis in any decent scientific journal ... your paper would have been discarded due to quality issues. Now, ASPO and the rest of the early peakers have done analysis with better quality than the crap other oil companies (and governments use. The same goes for BP as well, even though they might be slightly more optimistic
2) Peak oil is going to be in 2006 give or take one year in many of the models that maintain a small degree of statistical quality
3) The URR is something that no predictive exercise (ASPO/USGS/French/BP) can get right. This is an aspect of our conceptual understanding of how depletion works and the fact that the corresponding equation is a bitch

Unfortunately it is the URR that will determine how deep we can powerdown the non-essential aspects of the global economy to do an Apollo project if the will is there
Chevron and everyone else is scared now ... it is a global think tank. If you can contrinute anything useful (no guns/bugs/nukes please) fire away. POWERDOWN SCENARIOS HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED, FOR THE US AND THE WORLD. THEY SAY THAT KEEPING AGRICULTURE (EVEN THAT SHITTY INDUSTRIAL ONE), HEALTH SERVICES, ELECTRICITY GRID AND THE INTERNET SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER ANYTHING ELSE. THEY SUGGEST RAPID BUILD UP OF RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY CAPACITY AT OIL PRODUCING NATIONS (TO KEEP THE BITCH FLOWING) SINCE ANY CONTRIBUTION CAN MAKE OIL AVAILABLE FOR TRANSPORTING NECESSARY STUFF: PVs INSTEAD OF SUVS ACROSS THE WORLD
I think GW and G8 will soon say something; I do not expect full disclosure, they will try to give us the usual crap of free market enterprise etc, but in reality they shited tin their pants (Vulgar language serves a higher vent off purpose)

[Eli]

Well I think we have hit PO. The very last thing we are going to hear SA ghawar is in decline. But the guys on the inside already know this.

Get ready the roller coaster is about to go down the hill.

It is highly polished version of this freaking wbsite!

Unbelievable. They also tie energy with economics I have yet to see that little problem addressed yet, that is until now.