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THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 13 Oct 2016, 07:16:36

2016 CO2 MINIMUM > 400ppm

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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ermanently

In the centuries to come, history books will likely look back on September 2016 as a major milestone for the world’s climate. At a time when atmospheric carbon dioxide is usually at its minimum, the monthly value failed to drop below 400 parts per million (ppm).

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 13 Oct 2016, 08:00:43

Rising steadily now.

October 12: 401.63 ppm
October 11: 401.36 ppm
October 10: 401.55 ppm
October 09: Unavailable
October 08: 401.19 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby ritter » Thu 13 Oct 2016, 17:29:42

Tanada wrote:Rising steadily now.

October 12: 401.63 ppm
October 11: 401.36 ppm
October 10: 401.55 ppm
October 09: Unavailable
October 08: 401.19 ppm


Bummer. I had hope of one last gasp of sub 400 ppm air before the rise. I guess we'll never get it in our lifetimes (or our children's children)
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 13 Oct 2016, 20:54:04

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby kiwichick » Sun 16 Oct 2016, 04:11:25

so the question now is.........how high will it go this year?

are we jumping to + 3 ppm per year ?

are we losing the last chance to turn this around?
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 16 Oct 2016, 09:39:48

kiwichick wrote:so the question now is.........how high will it go this year?

are we jumping to + 3 ppm per year ?

are we losing the last chance to turn this around?


Even if it is under 3 ppmv this year IMO the ship has already sailed. The inertia of our culture taking us higher will take a long time to dissipate without some truly catastrophic civilization crashing event like a super volcano, asteroid impact or nuclear war. TPTB and the citizens at large may all say they fear AGW, but only a tiny tiny percentage are willing to alter lifestyles to eliminate their own CO2 emissions. Make no mistake, at this point the only way to stop would be to eliminate fossil fuel consumption.

You can't even get AGW believers to stop flying for the most part! Flying is totally frivolous nearly all the time, yet AGW 'believers' think nothing of jumping on a plane to vacation in some exotic location a thousand miles from home.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 5

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 16 Oct 2016, 09:48:53


Week beginning on October 9, 2016: 401.57 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 398.03 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 378.99 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 16 Oct 2016, 09:49:47

October 15: 401.73 ppm
October 14: 401.81 ppm
October 13: 401.32 ppm
October 12: 401.63 ppm
October 11: 401.36 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 16 Oct 2016, 17:17:31

kiwichick wrote:so the question now is.........how high will it go this year?

are we jumping to + 3 ppm per year ?

are we losing the last chance to turn this around?


It's already lost.

When Obama derailed the 2009 Copenhagen UN climate meeting the binding treaty to force a reduction in global CO2 emissions negotiated at Bali in 2007 didn't get signed.

Without a binding treaty requiring reductions in CO2 emissions Global CO2 emissions continued to go up

The 2015 Paris Accords aren't binding, and will allow CO2 emissions to go even higher.

So yes, in the future we are going to be going to see atmospheric CO2 going up up by 3, then 3.5, and then 4 ppm and more per year

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 17 Oct 2016, 06:39:30

Yeah, not a good pattern. Just to keep in mind, 3.54/year means 354ppm per century.

Added to what we already have, that's nearly three times what we started with.

If climate sensitivity is on the high side (more like 6 than 3 degrees), that puts us at about 9 degrees in a century. And that's if we stabilize the rate of increase at today's levels rather than continuing the accelerating increase we've seen consistently up till now.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 18 Oct 2016, 05:46:40

To supplement T's excellent data (thanks again for that, T...keep it up) with an illustrative graph:

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This indicates that we had one day below 400, but no weekly or monthly measurements that low.

Pretty clearly, we will not see even a daily measurement below 400 any more in our lifetimes (and far beyond).

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 25 Oct 2016, 15:10:23

October 24: 402.27 ppm
October 23: 401.65 ppm
October 22: 401.72 ppm
October 21: 401.87 ppm
October 20: 401.46 ppm

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/monthly.html

Some in MSM are starting to take notice:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37729033

CO2 levels mark 'new era' in the world's changing climate
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 01 Nov 2016, 16:02:45

Have we lost T as a regular updater here?

If so, is anyone else willing to take up the cause?
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 01 Nov 2016, 19:33:48

What?

No takers?

Well, here's something to tide us over till someone shows up:

https://robertscribbler.com/2016/11/01/ ... -increase/

2016 on Track for Record Rate of Atmospheric CO2 Increase

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 01 Nov 2016, 20:49:55

My video card shorted out two weeks ago and I had to switch to a used computer. Unfortunately it has Window 10 OS and I am still learning how to make it do what I want it to do.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 02 Nov 2016, 02:19:17

Yikes! Sorry about that. Sounds like quite the hassle. Best wishes on dealing with it.

I look forward to being up and fully running again!

RS in the post linked above claims that we cannot yet see the fingerprints of major carbon feedbacks in the CO2 concentration record--even though it continues to go up at unprecedented rates while global CO2 emissions are reportedly plateauing--presumably because of the clouding effects of our recent El Nino.

What do people here think? (Well, those who aren't denialists, at least.)
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 02 Nov 2016, 08:07:31

dohboi wrote:Yikes! Sorry about that. Sounds like quite the hassle. Best wishes on dealing with it.

I look forward to being up and fully running again!

RS in the post linked above claims that we cannot yet see the fingerprints of major carbon feedbacks in the CO2 concentration record--even though it continues to go up at unprecedented rates while global CO2 emissions are reportedly plateauing--presumably because of the clouding effects of our recent El Nino.

What do people here think? (Well, those who aren't denialists, at least.)


I think reports of CO2 emissions plateauing are pulled out of some persons imagination, not real world facts and figures. We know statistically that driving and fuel consumption in the USA are both up. We also know that Coal is selling for very high prices in Asia ATM because they goofed in lowering production in China too much and accidentally created a shortage of fuel going into winter. We have also had a larger than average number of acres of wild lands burned this year. All these factors together mean we have emitted more CO2 than we did in the past.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 02 Nov 2016, 08:20:46

"reports of CO2 emissions plateauing are pulled out of some persons imagination, not real world facts and figures"

That's my suspicion, too.

And I'm pretty sure that these estimates specifically don't include CO2 from wildfires and other carbon feedbacks.

But if it does end up that we have solid info that ff-based CO2 and CH4 emissions are plateauing or declining, and if CO2 concentrations are continue not just to increase, but to do so at an accelerating rate, that, it seems to me, would be a pretty clear sign that some major carbon sinks have failed and/or some natural carbon stores are turning into new sources--that is, feedbacks have started to kick in in a major way, tipping points have tipped, and runaway GW is starting to runaway.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 16 Nov 2016, 10:56:26

No country on target to keep global warming below 2 deg C

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europ ... eport-says

MARRAKESH, Morocco (AFP) - No country is shifting from dirty to clean energy fast enough to hold global warming below two degrees Celsius, a ranking of 58 nations responsible for 90 per cent of energy-related CO2 emissions showed Wednesday (Nov 16).

Despite a boom in renewables, especially solar and wind, "the necessary energy revolution is still happening too slowly", the Climate Change Performance Index 2017 reported on the margins of United Nations climate talks in Marrakesh....
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The world is still on Track to the climate Mad Max Scenario

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Mon 21 Nov 2016, 21:47:31

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1905 ... ign=buffer


Far From Turning a Corner, Global CO2 Emissions Still Accelerating
The latest greenhouse gas inventory from NOAA shows CO2 and methane 'going completely in the wrong direction.'
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