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THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 26 Aug 2017, 03:29:31

August 24: 404.69 ppm :!: :?: :idea: :shock:
August 23: 404.27 ppm
August 22: 404.30 ppm
August 21: 404.38 ppm
August 20: 404.65 ppm :idea: :!:
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 26 Aug 2017, 04:20:58

Went back and checked just to jog my memory.

Nadir day was September 08, 2016: 400.29 ppm.



Now keep in mind, Nadir day can fall anywhere between September 1 and October 14 because of the vagaries of fall weather. A warm wet fall will drive numbers to bottom late, a cool dry fall will cause numbers to bottom early IIRC
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Sun 27 Aug 2017, 02:07:06

dissident wrote:We are definitely on the worst CO2 trajectory envisioned by the IPCC. Then we are going to get smashed by the CH4 bomb from the global oceans and the cryosphere.

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Sun 27 Aug 2017, 02:30:36

Tanada wrote:Went back and checked just to jog my memory.

Nadir day was September 08, 2016: 400.29 ppm.



Now keep in mind, Nadir day can fall anywhere between September 1 and October 14 because of the vagaries of fall weather. A warm wet fall will drive numbers to bottom late, a cool dry fall will cause numbers to bottom early IIRC


Correct!
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/worl ... ntly-20738

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It is now clear CO2 minimum 2017 minus minimum 2016 >=~ 4ppm

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 28 Aug 2017, 16:13:21


Week beginning on August 20, 2017: 404.48 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 401.97 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 382.11 ppm


August 27: 404.82 ppm
August 26: 404.65 ppm
August 25: 404.40 ppm
August 24: 404.69 ppm
August 23: 404.27 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 03 Sep 2017, 22:07:44


Week beginning on August 27, 2017: 404.19 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 400.95 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 381.53 ppm


September 02: 404.21 ppm
September 01: 404.28 ppm
August 31: 404.11 ppm
August 30: 403.93 ppm
August 29: 403.97 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 08 Sep 2017, 08:19:10

We never got as low as I was hoping for this fall, and the recovery from the El Nino of 15-16 has not shown up much if at all. At these rates I believe we will hit 450 ppmv much more quickly than most people believe.

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September 06: 404.16 ppm
September 05: 403.47 ppm
September 04: 404.01 ppm
September 03: 404.03 ppm
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 16 Sep 2017, 11:50:25

pstarr wrote:Here's a critique of an op-ed piece by the Trump administrations new 'Science Guy' lol, Rep. Lamar Smith. CO2: Friend or Foe to Agriculture?

Smith is chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology. His op-ed was published July 24, in the Daily Signal a news website created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. In the piece Smith claims that CO2 is good for people.
A higher concentration of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would aid photosynthesis, which in turn contributes to increased plant growth. This correlates to a greater volume of food production and better quality food. Studies indicate that crops would utilize water more efficiently, requiring less water. And colder areas along the farm belt will experience longer growing seasons.


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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dohboi » Sat 16 Sep 2017, 17:32:30

For some, age brings wisdom; for others...not so much :cry:
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 17 Sep 2017, 09:34:48


Week beginning on September 10, 2017: 403.70 ppm
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 401.17 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 380.59 ppm


September 16: 403.60 ppm
September 15: 403.88 ppm
September 14: 403.76 ppm
September 13: 403.82 ppm
September 12: 403.47 ppm


Sorry folks, somehow I forgot to post last weekends data and it has aged off the system. We are closer to 403 ppmv than I expected this fall, which is a good thing. Ironic though it may be every little delay in the increase does make me slightly more cheerful.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby pstarr » Sun 17 Sep 2017, 12:00:37

jupiters_release wrote:
pstarr wrote:Here's a critique of an op-ed piece by the Trump administrations new 'Science Guy' lol, Rep. Lamar Smith. CO2: Friend or Foe to Agriculture?

Smith is chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology. His op-ed was published July 24, in the Daily Signal a news website created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. In the piece Smith claims that CO2 is good for people.
A higher concentration of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would aid photosynthesis, which in turn contributes to increased plant growth. This correlates to a greater volume of food production and better quality food. Studies indicate that crops would utilize water more efficiently, requiring less water. And colder areas along the farm belt will experience longer growing seasons.


(Let it be known: I have become a committed GW sceptic in recent years, after a lifetime as a pretty deep 'Green'. I find it rather difficult share this with folks, so thanks for the relative anonymity of the forum here. It's a good place to try on new ideas. :) )

Bring on the Barbs lol


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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby dissident » Sun 17 Sep 2017, 20:27:45

dohboi wrote:For some, age brings wisdom; for others...not so much :cry:


Yeah, two weeks of July weather in my parts but in September. But weather is not climate. It is climate since climate defines the manifold on which all weather states reside.

I can see how people living in the arid subtropics may to not see the clear signs of global warming that are apparent poleward of 40 degrees latitude. This is a common flaw in thinking when it comes to global warming. A lot of people think that global warming is supposed to show up locally to their desired amount before they may consider believing it. Don't worry your smug, delusional minds, eventually your local weather will be reflecting the change.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 17 Sep 2017, 22:56:51

Yeah, two weeks of July weather in my parts but in September. But weather is not climate. It is climate since climate defines the manifold on which all weather states reside.

I can see how people living in the arid subtropics may to not see the clear signs of global warming that are apparent poleward of 40 degrees latitude. This is a common flaw in thinking when it comes to global warming. A lot of people think that global warming is supposed to show up locally to their desired amount before they may consider believing it. Don't worry your smug, delusional minds, eventually your local weather will be reflecting the change.


Ok, that was a bunch of bizarre nonsense beyond belief. Your view apparently is that everyone needs to "believe" regardless of what is happening. Apparently, the models and projections are so good that observations of what is actually happening that are contradictory to past projections should be ignored? Let's ignore all observation science and just jump on the bandwagon of modeled projections? :roll:

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 00:45:19

rockdoc123 wrote: Let's ignore all observation science ....


Why would you want to do that?

Observational data on global temperature provides the key bit of evidence that demonstrates that increasing CO2 in the atmosphere is causing global warming.

If the planet wasn't warming so dramatically then the climate change deniers might have a point. But the observational data showing increasing global warming matches quite well with climate models predicting global warming.

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 10:21:11

But the observational data showing increasing global warming matches quite well with climate models predicting global warming.


not according to John Christy. From his presenatation to the House Committe on Science and Technology in March of this year:

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 11:03:32

rockdoc123 wrote:
But the observational data showing increasing global warming matches quite well with climate models predicting global warming.


not according to John Christy. From his presenatation to the House Committe on Science and Technology in March of this year:

Imagechristy diagram


I hate to break it to you but humans don't live in the mid-troposphere.

Humans live down here on the surface of the earth where it is getting progressively warmer.

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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 11:34:43

I hate to break it to you but humans don't live in the mid-troposphere.

Humans live down here on the surface of the earth where it is getting progressively warmer.


The model runs are representations of the temperatures at elevations where the satellite and balloon data are acquired. Explained by Christy.
It is a one to one comparison.
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 12:16:27

Obviously Rockdoc, should stick to the Oil Industry where he can make some sound claims as opposed to climate change.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 111535.htm

During last warming period, Antarctica heated up two to three times more than planet averageAmplification of warming at poles consistent with today's climate change models
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 14:19:47

Obviously Rockdoc, should stick to the Oil Industry where he can make some sound claims as opposed to climate change.


Hey dipshit....I posted a chart from John Christy who is a very well known and respected climate scientist and an expert in satellite-based temperature analysis. It is not my analysis, it is his. I suspect, however, he knows a bit more about the subject matter than you do.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Antarctica has seen virtually no overall increase in temperature during the instrumental record. A small area in the peninsula saw warming up to 1997 after which all surface stations have shown general cooling. Many surface stations in Antarctica show a total cooling trend over the entire instrumental record and satellite data shows no warming continent-wide. Proxy data for Antarctica indicates an overall cooling trend in the past 1900 years. This has all been discussed at length in the Antarctic threads over the past number of years. Further discussion should move there.

Oliva, M et al, 2016. Recent regional climate cooling on the Antarctic Peninsula and associated impacts on the cryosphere. Sci Tot Envir, 580, pp 210 – 223. doi.org/10.1016/j.scitotenv.2016.12.030

Stenni, B et al, 2017.  Antarctic climate variability at regional and continental scales over the last 2,000 years, Clim. Past Discuss., https://doi.org/10.5194/cp-2017-40
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Re: THE Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Thread Pt. 6

Unread postby onlooker » Mon 18 Sep 2017, 14:50:26

what is going on in the Arctic and other northern regions defies all these natural variations claims/arguments and other biased skepticism
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