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Unread postby Subjectivist » Sat 01 Feb 2014, 21:21:35

Plantagenet wrote:TEN GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE WORLD

1. Skiing (I ski all winter---how about you? Is anything better then blasting down a run that has fresh powder on it?)

2. bicycle riding (I rode a mountain bike the length of the camino de Santiago pilgrimage route in northern Spain in September---it was FANTASTIC)

3. Mountains (I"m just back from climbing Kilimanjaro in Tanzania. Ohmigod what an experience.....)

4. Motorcycles (I ride in the summer. Nothing too powerful, but going around "S" curves on a motorcyle is as close a sensation to skiing as you can get in the summer)

5. Travel (I try to travel as much as possible---Peak Oil is going to choke it off, so go now while its still affordable. I'm just back from a trip to Africa, Denmark, Holland and France. I've been to Newfoundland before but only once, at the end of a transatlantic Scientific Cruise that ended in St. Johns, and I've only been to Philadelphia once. Why the heck are you in Philadelpha instead of being in Newfoundland full time?)

6. Fishing (I used to fly fish quite a bit here in Alaska, but after hauling in 40 huge Sockeye and Silver salmon last summer using a dipnet in the subsistence fishery at Chitna I may give fly fishing a rest for a while---hard to beat the experience of hauling in salmon one after another).

7. Food and Wine (food of the gods)

8. Shakespeare (entertainment of the gods)

9. The Wall Street Journal (best newspaper in America....I read it every morning on my IPAD.....I always used to say the one thing you couldn't get in Alaska was a good newspaper, and now I get the WSJ every morning).

10. Friends and Family (doesn't belong at #10, but it was too obvious to put at #1).

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Cheer up! Things aren't so bad after all, are they? 8)


I have seen a lot of predictions about the snows of Kilimanjaro, seems ho you were just there what were you impressions? Are the glaciers disappearing or is that just media hype?
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Re: Kilimanjaro

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 01 Feb 2014, 21:37:15

Subjectivist wrote:what were you impressions? Are the glaciers disappearing or is that just media hype?


I was there in early December 2013, just at the tail end of the rainy season. There was a lot of rain lower down and snow falling on the summit area, and once we reached the high camp at ca. 16000' it snowed all night before we did the summit push. You'd think all that snow would be good for the glaciers, but the guides (Its a Tanzanian National Park---you have to hire a Tanzanian guide) all said they'd seen the summit glaciers melting down and back in the years they'd been guiding there .

Makes sense to me.....Global Warming is tending to melt glaciers, even those near the equator.

Alpine glaciers are melting all over the world in response to climate change
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Re: Kilimanjaro

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 01 Feb 2014, 21:52:20

Actually National Geographic had an interesting story about the K. glaciers. They are retreating but not because they are melting. It's still too cold. They're actually evaporating (sublimation). They attributed this to decreasing humidity. And they concluded the lower humidity was due to increased agricultural activity around the mountain base locking up more moisture. Various reasons for glaciers to retreat: global warming as well as more natural ca uses. The glaciers coming off the Columbian Ice Field may be accelerating due to GW. But there's clear proof those glaciers began retreating long before the industrial revolution began.
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Re: Kilimanjaro

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 01 Feb 2014, 22:03:17

I apologize for blathering on in my post above about "10 GREAT THINGS IN THE WORLD" but I was trying to cheer up another poster in a different thread who had just posted his list entitled "FIVE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD"

I had no idea Subjectivist would take my post and start a new thread with it. Thanks (I guess?). :wink:

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Re: Kilimanjaro

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 02 Feb 2014, 06:08:07

ROCKMAN wrote:Actually National Geographic had an interesting story about the K. glaciers. They are retreating but not because they are melting. It's still too cold. They're actually evaporating (sublimation). They attributed this to decreasing humidity. And they concluded the lower humidity was due to increased agricultural activity around the mountain base locking up more moisture. Various reasons for glaciers to retreat: global warming as well as more natural ca uses. The glaciers coming off the Colombian Ice Field may be accelerating due to GW. But there's clear proof those glaciers began retreating long before the industrial revolution began.



How long ago was that ROCKMAN? The reason I ask is one of my favorite books about the subject is Thin Ice, it is about Dr. Lonnie Thompson of Ohio state University. He has been doing glaciology research for decades and specializes in collecting ice cores from mountain glaciers instead of polar glaciers. About a third of the book is about South America and another third is about Tibet/China/India but Kilimanjaro in Africa gets a chapter or two as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Thin-Ice-Unlockin ... 0805081356

The author, Mark Bowen, who is a mountain climber and journalist, not a scientist, makes the case that Kilimanjaro will be ice free in a couple more decades which is actually more like a decade now because the book is a few years old. Anyhow the impression given is the summer average temperatures peak out high enough that melting has accelerated putting the glaciers in negative mass balance. Snowfall has slowed down as well but it is not the simple case of just one of the other, the mountain is right on the Equator and is declining in ice cover from multiple causes. I am not a glaciologist, but when the other mountain glaciers along the equator in South America are declining in the same way it is kind of hard to blame it on local agriculture, the ones in South America get moisture directly from the Pacific Ocean. Given that every farm plant I am aware of transpires soil moisture into humidity I am really curious what the farmers around the mountain are growing.
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Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby vox_mundi » Wed 05 Nov 2014, 15:06:30

The 'Resource Curse' strikes again ...

Leaked agreement shows Tanzania may not get a good deal for gas
http://cryptome.org/2014/11/tanzania-gas-deal.htm
... Nobody knows exactly how much gas there is in Tanzania, though the latest discoveries brought the estimated deposits up to 51 trillion cubic feet (tcf). Equally, nobody knows how much of this it will be possible (and economic) to extract, and how much revenue will flow to the government as a result.

The IMF has had a go at working this out, in a paper published earlier this year. The results are expressed cautiously, surrounded by references to uncertainty, but suggest that the Tanzanian government could be looking at a peak of US$5-6bn revenue each year between 2029 and 2044. Given that for the past few years, official aid to Tanzania has ranged between $2-3bn annually, and the total tax revenue in the 2014/15 Tanzanian government budget is just over $6bn, we're talking potentially a lot of money. As the IMF report concluded:

"If a large-scale gas project goes ahead, the potential fiscal revenue would be substantial, and would facilitate government spending on priority investment. [This] could have a transformational impact on the economy."

More money for schools, hospitals, roads, etc. – so it's all good then.

Not so fast. As strong as the economic potential may be, unless the politics are right, the opportunity could easily be wasted.

There are worries that the Tanzanian government lacks either the capacity or the will to negotiate deals with investors that protect the interests of the Tanzanian public. When a Production Sharing Agreement(PSA) between the state-owned Tanzania Petroleum Development Corporation (TPDC) and the Norwegian firm Statoil was leaked a couple of weeks ago, it revealed contract terms that are significantly less favourable to the government than had been expected. The terms were less favourable than either those of TPDC's model PSA or the assumptions used by the IMF in their analysis.

Exactly how much this contract will cost the government depends on how much gas the company produces, but it could easily be in the hundreds of millions of dollars per year. If production reaches 500 million cubic feet per day, the government could be losing as much $400m per year under this deal, compared to the model PSA. If production reaches 1,000 million cubic feet per day – which is very possible – the loss rises to to over $900m per year[1]. And that's just from one deal.

Another indication of the scale involved here is that since the Norwegian government is Statoil's majority shareholder, the extra revenue to the Norwegian government from this deal could be worth more than double the total of all Norwegian aid to Tanzania since independence[2].

But perhaps just as worrying is the resounding silence that met the leak. It has not been covered in the Tanzanian media, even when reporting on gas-related issues or Statoil's other activities. And aside from a brief reference in a relatively obscure parliamentary committee report (pdf, Swahili) (which itself did not attract media coverage), no leading politician has stood up to publicly make noise about the deal.

Those in the know are discussing it in hushed tones on the side-lines of meetings, in the more private corners of social media, or in coded language. The vast majority are not in the know.

This does not bode well. One of the big political risks with oil and gas is that it can be seen by politicians and senior officials as 'easy' money that doesn't come with the kind of scrutiny that taxpayers demand when they pay their taxes and donors demand when they provide aid. Unless somebody – the media, politicians, civil society – steps up to fill the gap, decision makers in government will be left free to make whatever decisions they choose, unencumbered by any need to protect the public interest. The Statoil PSA may well have cost Tanzania several billion dollars – yet it appears no-one is trying to hold those responsible to account.


The 'Invisible Hand' giveth, and the 'Invisible Hand' taketh away. :cry:

p.s. Tanzania sounds alot like Pennsylvania
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 10:00:06

No reason for Tanzania to let the Norwigians walk all over them. They can just invest the tens of $billions themselves and thus keep 100% of their resources for themselves. Problem solved.
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 12:20:05

I read through the paper posted which claims to show the Tanzania government cut a sweetheart deal. It is complete BS. Clearly the author wants to demonstrate they are being railroaded by big oil by showing a snapshot in time....i.e. the point where all cost oil/gas is being taken up by cost recovery. In normal circumstances (and this being no different to my mind) the amount of production set aside for cost recovery is fixed but if it is not all used up (i.e. costs incurred are not high enough) then the excess cost oil/gas goes directly to profit oil/gas. AS such, in the earliest part of the contract when the contractor has incurred large costs due to offshore drilling/production platforms most of the cost oil/gas will be used up giving the contractor a larger % of the pie, this being an incentive to do the expensive work. But as those costs are written off most of that cost oil/gas goes to profit oil/gas where the Tanzanian government gets the biggest share. If you look at this full cycle (taking into account royalties) contractor take here is going to be somewhere around 30%. Although that seems high when compared to places with very attractive hydrocarbon opportunities (eg. Libya, Iraq, Algeria etc) it is mid of the pack when you compare it with places that have a relatively immature or unproven hydrocarbon province (eg. Paraguay, Morocco, Gambia). The reason for that is of course to attract foreigners to come in and do the heavy lifting. As Rockman points out the Tanzania gov't could do this all on their own but that would be, at the risk of being impolite, incredibly stupid, simply because they would be risking their own money up front. A good way of looking at this would be to imagine you are in Vegas at a casino....the odds on a particular card game are for sake of argument 10% chance of success in favor of the gambler. That means that almost always the house is going to win, unless you are crazy you would not spend your own money on that regardless of how good the outcome looked. However if you had some punter show up who said to you....look, I like the chair you are sitting in, it is a lucky chair. For access to that chair I will guaranty putting down $5000 in bets on this particular card game and for the priviledge of having your chair I will pay you 20% of my winnings. Of course you could say no....I have the chair I can play myself but in reality you are almost certain to lose just like the punter is. The difference is that you are now using his money to test the game, you upside may be less but on a risked perspective it is better simply because you aren't putting anything at risk. A bit of a convoluted analog I give you but it is essentially the same thing. Tanzania had to give good terms simply because they had essentially no hydrocarbon industry prior to the big offshore gas discoveries in adjacent Mozambique. Sure there is lots of oil shows onshore but there was also lots of failed drilling, general consensus being that hydrocarbon seals onshore were leaky. They had early bid rounds for the offshore that nobody bid on. As a consequence they needed an attractive set of terms. That being said the terms are not over the top by any means in comparison to other countries.
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby vox_mundi » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 13:09:27

Both of you missed the point.

Tanzanian politicians (like those in Nigeria, Pennsylvania and elsewhere) eagerly embrace the deal. They stand to individually profit quite handsomely.

It's the poorly represented people of Tanzania who are getting the screw job.
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 15:29:55

vox - I didn't miss the point at all. But you completely missed my point: If the good people of Tanzania tolerate selfish assholes running their country they are getting the exactly deal they deserve. When you don't like what some of your govt leaders are doing you push back. Just like the North did with the South here a long time ago over slavery. Granted it collectively cost over 600,000 lives. But if they don't think their cause is worth sacrificing lives over then they have to settle for what they end up with.

The world isn't fair...and never has been. You're either willing to do what has to be done to get a fair deal or you don't. And if you don't think that's being fair to the Tanzanian people? Then do something about it. LOL.
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Thu 06 Nov 2014, 18:07:00

Both of you missed the point.

Tanzanian politicians (like those in Nigeria, Pennsylvania and elsewhere) eagerly embrace the deal. They stand to individually profit quite handsomely.

It's the poorly represented people of Tanzania who are getting the screw job.


Again I call BS. How do they individually profit? Money that the government makes from Royalties and their share of the production is there with the intention of investing it in the country. Companies can no longer pay large signature bonuses without assurances from governments where that money is going (there was no provision for a signature bonus here I believe). As well they are now required to report on filings how much they pay in royalties and profit sharing to foreign governments. It is all public data now. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is not something any company takes lightly, Weatherford was fined $398 MM last year for bribery and Total SA was fined $250 MM for infractions that happened years ago.

If the Tanzanian government is somehow siphoning money out of what they are being paid in royalties and profit sharing (completely illegal under any law I know of) then it doesn't matter what kind of profit sharing deal was struck. In fact you could argue if the deal had been closer to their model PSC it would have been better assuming the skim remained the same.
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Re: Tanzania gets screwed on gas deal

Unread postby Subjectivist » Wed 02 Nov 2016, 20:28:01

Aminex plc (LON:AEX) said a drill rig has now been mobilised following the completion of civil works at the Ntorya-2 site in Tanzania.

Around 1.5km from Ntorya-1, the second well will target 153bn cubic (BCF) feet of gas.

Aminex, which owns 75% of the Ruvuma acreage that is host potentially to significant accumulations of gas, sees Ntorya-2 as a low risk appraisal project.

Work will begin late this quarter and is expected to take between 45 and 60 days.

The original well, completed more than four years ago, flow tested at 20mln cubic feet of gas a day with 139 barrels of gas condensate.

Ntorya-2 well is being drilled into thicker part of the sand body located on the seismic data in 2014.

Aminex’s partner is fellow AIM explorer Solo Oil PLC (LON:SOLO).

The area in question lies just 20 kilometres from the Mtwara to Dar es Salaam gas pipeline which was commissioned in late 2015.

It is transporting gas from various fields, including the Kiliwani North Field, operated by Aminex and where Solo holds just over a 7% stake.

“Advancing the Ntorya appraisal and its commercialisation is now a key objective for Solo and we are pleased that rig mobilisation is now underway,” said Solo chairman Neil Ritson.

“The discovery of gas in high quality Cretaceous sandstone reservoirs in the onshore portion of the Ruvuma Basin represents very significant value and we look forward to confirmation of the spud date in due course."



http://tanzaniapetroleum.com/2016/10/18 ... s-quarter/
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